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Deelibob

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  1. Sorry, fat finger syndrome, it should read after 1976 not 1986. I think the cardboard boxes ceased mid to late 70's early 80's.
  2. Hi BJW, As far as I am aware the W in WPC/WPS was not to be used after the integration of genders in 1986 and would account for the "offending" letter being expunged from the box of issue. Regarding use of Police, there are many instances of a Constable not being a Police Constable. Parish Constable, Cathedral Constable, Special Constable Etc. These titles were in existence long before organised Policing. Peter
  3. Although my interest is in the main Liverpool City PoliceI have acquired this medal to Sergeant Wingrave, Metropolitan Police accompanied by a poignant locket belonging to his daughter and pertaining to her brother Fred who died in service with Norwich City Police. I have not yet researched the items but thought the News cuttings would be of interest.
  4. Many Thanks Hucks, Will do that. Sorry for late reply have been away.
  5. Could anyone assist with information on a Northern Ireland Campaign Medal to Pte 24724232 Thomas Robert Herbert Aicken, UDR Died as result of Road Traffic Accident age 23 on 11th August 1987. and is buried in Clandeboye cemetery Bangor,County Down with other family members. He is on the Northern Ireland Veterans Memorial and National Roll of Honour but more intriguingly he is also listed on the Armed Forces Memorial which is reserved for those killed on duty or by terrorist action so presumably Thomas was on patrol duties. There is also another UDR soldier killed in similar manner on the same day and may be in same incident :- Pte 24457522 Carl Pearce UDR aged 27, buried Redburn Cemetery, Hollywood, County Down. They both served in 2nd County Armagh Battalion. I have written to local library but to date no information has been forthcoming. I would be grateful for any information or pointers on how to proceed with research in Northern Ireland. Thanks Peter
  6. I am eager to obtain information on the 1 Heavy Regiment Royal Artillery and two men who were KIA 8th August 1944 in the Falaise Gap/Pocket. They are buried in a joint grave at Ranville Leslie J Brown of London Kenneth Evason of Wallasey Any information of the circumstances of death would be welcome. Thanks Peter
  7. I found the list of Canadian MC/MM winners interesting. For years I had a single BWM to Lt Macagy MC, MM in my swaps tin my wife having bought it for £1.00 at a bric-a-brac stall in the 80's. I part exchanged it to a dealer in Scotland during 2014 so it is out there. Unfortunately in all the years I had it I saw neither sight nor sound of his other medals which I presume are split up too, but hopefully not.
  8. Hi Kvetch, Welcome to forum. The above is a bold statement, I have been collecting for over 50 years and never ever seen evidence of such a practice in collecting circles or operationally (In one of the toughest areas of Policing) although I have heard criminal elements boasting of such items being used on them . I stand to be corrected but would vouchsafe that this idea is stuff of nonsense and an insult to the professional Police officer of the past. I can't think of a more silly idea than a Police officer spending time drilling a Baton, filling it with hot lead/ or bar and then be willing to have such a heavy item dangle from his waist for a full police shift. An Urban Myth in my humble opinion and purely anecdotal Regards Peter
  9. Hello Nicolas, Thank you so much for the information. Regards Peter
  10. I seek any information on WWI P le M winner Dr Walter Von Delius in particular Unit of service and any other decorations he may have. In addition doe anyone have similar information on WWI Iron Cross 2nd class winner, Rudolph Delius of the Imperial German Navy. Many Thanks Peter
  11. Keith has only served for 20 years so can't qualify for longest serving (Yet) but may rank with some of the oldest but I think he is behind many of the old Borough Chief Constables who remained in post until carried out. Upon the amalgamation of Liverpool City Police with Bootle Borough Police the Staff Officer of the Newly formed Liverpool and Bootle Constabulary discovered that many of the Special Constables of all ranks in Bootle were in their 70's & 80's and were "Let Go" in line with the then age limit of 60/65 implemented by L&B.
  12. I don't know if it qualifies but in Liverpool until approx mid 70's there was a 1st, 2nd and 3rd Police Reserve. Those in the First Police Reserve after " Retirement" would simply carry on as Constable's and I had the dubious honour to meet a really grumpy one in 1970 when he was on enquiry office duty at Tuebrook Police Station of the by then Liverpool and Bootle Constabulary. He was sporting the ribbons of the WWI War and Victory Medal. He had joined the Liverpool City Police in 1919 in response to the call for replacements for the 900 and odd dismissed strikers. If you overlook the fact that he was getting a pension and still Paid as full time Officer that is 51 years + as he served a few years more. My meeting with him did not end well by the way as these old hands did not tolerate Cocky young Officers .But I don't bear a grudge so RIP Mr. R
  13. Hi Dave, Will bear you in mind should I spot something that may be of interest. I Collect Victorian Met and Liverpool City Police Items. Regards Peter Dellius (Deelibob)
  14. I have only seen one of these in the flesh before and that was c 1974 in Macclesfield Police Station Canteen and it was on a Bobbies key ring. Not a common item There is a specimen on e-bay at the Moment 10.15am 2/3/19 with 1 hour 30 mins to go with a bit of interest being shown. 4 Bidders at present. Peter
  15. When the Police Exemplary Service Medal (LS&GC) came into being 1951. All officers serving with the requisite time served (22 Years) got it so if John Hughes joined say 1920'2 and was still serving 1951 then he got the medal. This happened in all forces and Liverpool City Police must have got hit for hundreds of the awards ( There being over 1000 joining in 1919 alone to bolster ranks after the Strike) I work on the assumption that everyone gets 15 minutes of fame (I am still waiting for mine) and so had a look at John Hughes and he may be one and the same as, John HUGHES, born 10:2:1896, Son of a Farmer, David and his Wife Jane living on a Farm at Meifod, Llanrhaido, Denbigh. He probably served WWi and joined the Police on demob. I found that he had served on Anglesey during WWII and resided with his Wife Ann Hughes Nee Jones at 23 Well Street, Amlech, Anglesey. Working on my 15 minutes theory he may well have been serving there in the Borough Force prior to Amalgamation/s and if so May have been involved in the Arrest/Aftermath of the Murder of PC Pritchard in 1924. Wishful thinking, maybe, but possible and I can find no other John Hughes who fits the bill. Hope of use Peter
  16. My Oldest Station was Westminster Road, Liverpool. Built 1885. Initially "E" Division Liverpool City Police, "B" Division Liverpool and Bootle Constabulary and later "A" Dvision Merseyside. Closed 1984 (Pity it didn't make a century) Regards
  17. Whilst perusing the web site of Cairn Castle Militaria I came across this group and thought it may be of interest to members of this thread. The Price is not stated but will be supplied by the vendor upon request
  18. further to above Tom's Mother was Eliza Ann Wilkin nee Morris. They were married 1900.
  19. Hi Ralph, My best guess would be that Tom was a Postman in Aldborough and was sent a rail warrant( as was the norm) and exchanged same at Liverpool. The Lanc's connection may well be lodgings whilst waiting for ship. As stated my comments were conjecture. I have no further information on Florence or Morton. Peter PS. There is no record of Tom having married. Peter
  20. Hello Ralph, As far as I am aware most PP embarked from Liverpool at some stage. Tom (Thomas James) Wilkin was as far as I know from Aldborough in Norfolk the son of John Thomas and Eliza Ann Wilkin. He had a Sister, Florrie and he was courting a Jewish woman and she attended his funeral. The medals were purchased from a Dealer in Devon over 20 years ago but had for many years previously been in the collection of the Membership Secretary of the Orders and Medals Research Society who I would think is now deceased. I would not think there is any Family left but this is conjecture. It may well be that if Tom did reside in East Lanc's as a postman he may well have been married and had children, again conjecture. His NOK are listed on CWGC as his Parents and his Sister is mentioned on his headstone. Regards Peter Further to above. Tom was born in Aldborough 1910, his Father was a Postman and also born in Aldborough. Peter
  21. Hi Ralph, I too am a member of the BPPA as I was its predecessor the PPOCA but do not subscribe to Facebook. I am afraid I cannot be of much use regarding information as my humble effort depicted above is, give or take, the sum total of my knowledge on Supt Wilkin. Regards Peter Dellius
  22. Hello Dave, Yes indeed, too late now but in more ways than one I am afraid. Some time ago I read that Government had decided that all unclaimed medals held by the various services were to be destroyed by melting and that all monies from the smelting of these medals would go to the Exchequer. I immediately wrote to the Army Medal office at Worcester , now the Tri Service medal Office, asking that my comments be forwarded to the correct authority. (This letter remains unanswered) Realising that to try and reason with government Departments is like trying to empty the Atlantic with a spoon I took the path of pointing out the price of scrap silver against the price of selling the medals to collectors. These medals would include Peninsula War & Battle of Waterloo participants, Men who took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade, Rorkes Drift Defenders, Defenders at Mafeking not to mention members of the ill-fated Franklin expedition and so on right up to WWII Etc Etc. Many thousands of pounds could be raised from the scrap silver but I would vouchsafe that the result of a sale to collectors would reap millions for the Country. So I suppose the refusal to issue William's GSM pales against the scale of damage wrought by such an act of institutional vandalism. Madness utter Madness. Peter
  23. William Birch joined the Palestine Police c. 1930 as Constable 720. He was later joined by his Fiancee Margaret Gettle ( altered from the German Goetel during WW1) and they were married in Palestine c. 1935 and adopted the Colonial lifestyle. They did not have children. On the 1st October 1938, William was leading a patrol in Ramallah when they were fired upon and Willam Killed. He was buried with full Military Honours on Mount Zion, Jerusalem. His widow returned to her home Town Liverpool, England where she died many years later, she did not re marry. Three Arabs stood trial on 14th of October, 1938 and sentenced to death by hanging, Izzat Hussein Abdul Ramhman aged 30, Ali Yusef Ahmed aged 28 and Hassan Abdul Muti aged 29 from Beir Nabala near Ramallah. All three were found in a house with rifles and I am not sure if they were sentenced for the murder or their possession of the rifles. They were duly executed The above story was related to me by an elderly lady who was related to Margaret. She had in her possession a solid silver sports medal named to William, I enquired the whereabouts of his General Service Medal and was informed that the Family had no knowledge. I made enquiries with the Worcester medal office and was informed that the medal remained unclaimed. An application for the medal was made on 17th June 2005 and turned into a saga, the outcome being that my elderly friend(now deceased) was too distant a relation and as no other family remained the application was refused. And so Williams medal remains on a shelf and the only testament to his service and sacrifice is a humble sports medal, which is coveted in my collection
  24. I somehow became the owner of this lovely photograph, I do not collect such items but thought the members of this thread may like to see it. I assume it is an in memoriam card of some description but is not the usual type as it is a card cabinet photo. I hope it is of interest Peter
  25. Just my luck but will content myself with thought that the badge was possibly worn by one of the above. Thank you so much for your kind and informative help. Regards Peter
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