Glenn J

This page shows those veterinary officers with the rank of Oberstveterin?r (the equivalent of a line Oberst or full colonel). They are listed in Dienstaltersliste IC.

This page shows some of the numerous individuals commissioned as Leutnants on 1.12.42. As opposed to the earlier imperial lists, numerals are used to indicate seniority and the highest number (most junior Leutnant) commissioned on that date had a suffix of 2536!

Although it is generally thougt that German army lists covering the war years do not exist, this is not the case. Published as secret documents with a limited distribution lists for the various categories of commissioned officers were produced by the army personnel office certainly up to 1944. The Dienstalterlisten T & S of 1944 have in fact been published. The following scans are from the May 1943 edition of Dienstalterliste I (regular officers) and the precursor to Dienstaltersliste T. This edition apart from the the 1940 list showing z.D. officers is the only list I have so far come across showing medical and veterinary officers. Of note is the fact that in many, although not all cases the first names of the more junior officers are included. Regards Glenn

Christer, possibly Hauptmann der Reserve Erwin Carnuth of R.I.R. 255 awarded the HOH3X in July 1918. Regards Glenn

Rick, forgot to mention: In fact three Riemann's. Hugo is shown in the 1897 list in I.R. 167. Hugo, Curt & Erich Regards Glenn

Colonel Riemann's entry in the Offizier-Stammliste of I.R. 95 showing his career up until the point he joined I.R. 138 as a supernumerary Hauptmann in 1906. Colonel Riemann died in February 1927. Regards Glenn

Claudio, this from the Offizier-Stammliste of LGR 109. Regards Glenn

Joe, just returned to Germany today after a week in the UK. I will be returning to the UK permanently in late March/early April. Already much of my research library has now been returned to the UK. Regards Glenn

Joe, Georg's bio from the Regimental History of K?rassier-Regiment Nr. 7. Regards Glenn

Part two

Sascha, a biography of Hauptmann v. Waldow. Regards Glenn

Joe, as Rick points out, the only really sizeable group of reserve officials were the pharmacists. There were additionally about twenty reserve veterinary officials still on the books in 1914. These were guys who had not been converted into reserve veterinary officers at the creation of that branch. Many former active officials were of course recalled for the duration of the war but bear in mind the very essence of the official is that of a full time career public servant, not a part time job. What exactly are you looking for? Regards Glenn

Indeed. Munitions columns are a bit obscure. I would hav thought the "Teeth" Arms would have been a better priority. Regards Glenn

Alexandre, the 1936 edition of the Austrian Bundesheer Schematismus shows the then Oberstintendant Karl Jansch with the following awards: Ritterkreuz 1. Klasse des ?sterreichischen Verdienstordens Franz Josesph-Orden Ritterkreuz mit der Kriegsdekoration und Schwerten Bronzene Milit?rverdienstmedaille am Bande des Milit?rverdienstkreuzes Ehrenzeichen 2. Klasse vom Roten Kreuz ?sterreichische Kriegserinnerungsmedaille mit den Schwerten Milit?rjubil?umkreuz Besonderes K?rntnerkreuz f?r Verdienste Allgemeines K?rntnerkreuz f?r Verdienste Preu?isches eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse Regards Glenn

Joe, Kurt Ludwig of GKR was the cousin of K?rt of the GdC. Kurt Ludwig's father was the younger brother of Georg. Regards Glenn

Joe, we know he was a Rittmeister in 1884 which would certainly have given him time to achieve the rank of Major and then Oberstleutnant or char. Oberstleutnant before retiring sometime before his death in 1897. Until I am reunited with my stuff, the details are a bit sketchy! Regards Glenn

Joe, further to that last post it would appear that he in fact retired as an Oberstleutnant. The 1914 list it seems erroneously listed him as an Oberleutnant a.D. He is shown as an Oberstleutnant in the 1942 list. He is shown in the regimental history of K?rassier-Rgiment Nr. 6 as having served in that regiment from 23 October 1877 until 10 June 1884 when he was transfered to K?rassier-Regiment Nr. 5 as a Rittmeister. Regards Glenn

Joe, Kurt's father was Georg Erdmann Karl Ferdinand Graf v. Haugwitz, born Carolath 8 August 1848, died Hardenberg 12 Sep 1897. Listed as an Oberleutnant (Premier-Lieutenant) a.D. in the 1914 Gr?fliches Taschenbuch. He was awarded his EK2 as a Sekonde-Lieutenant in the Leib-K?rassier-Regiment (Schles.) Nr. 1. Regards Glenn

Hi Komtur, good point and thank you for confirming the Garde-K?rassier Graf Haugwitz's first name(s). I had been looking for that information for a while! Regards Glenn

Joe, the vast majority of the newly commissioned officers in WW1 were promoted "provisionally without a Patent". I assume (as I have not come across any regulations describing the mechanics of the practice) that this was done in order to take into consideration the abbreviated training period of these officers as opposed to the lengthier peacetime training of their more senior prewar colleagues. I am expecting a delivery of my "Gothas" in the next couple of days and I can hopefully look up the Count's origins. Naxos, I am at a bit of a disadvantage at the moment as I am separated from the major part of my reference library. According to the wartime regimental history, Kurt Graf v. Haugwitz was a Garde du Corps officer. As Mike mentions in an earlier post there was a Garde-K?rassier Graf v. Haugwitz who already held a prewar commission. I tend to think that the Spiegel article may be confusing the two. In any case the photograph which Joe has attached shows a GdC Leutnant. Hopefully the Gotha Gr?fliche Taschenb?cher can shed some more light on the subject. Regards Glenn

Mike, Graf v. Haugwitz only entered the GdC at the outbreak of war as a Fahnenjunker and consequently was not listed in the last peacetime army list of May 1914. He was in fact commissioned as a Leutnant ohne Patent on 21.2.15 later receiving seniority effective 24.6.14. It appears from the regimental history that he served throughout the war with the regiment although being detached temporarily for service as a Divisional Orderly Officer in 1918. Regards Glenn

Joe, Mike, he is not the Garde-K?rassier Graf v. Haugwitz. Kurt Graf v. Haugwitz-Hardenberg-Reventlow was commisioned into the Garde du Corps on 24.6.14. Note the GdC gorget. He was finished the war still as a Leutnant and was still alive as at 1 October 1928. I am in th UK at the moment and separated from much of my Prussian stuff but I believe the count was a former Fahnenjunker and not a cadet. Regards Glenn

Hi T, Gustav Boehringer in WW2 Regards Glenn

Rick, Herr Groschupf is shown in the 1866 Hannoverian Army List as a Premier-Lieutenant in the Ingenieur-Corps with a Patent of 27.5.65. He was taken into the Saxon Army and initially served with the Royal Saxon Pionier-Bataillon (Dresden). I have attached a scan from the 1885 vollst?ndige Anciennet?ts-Liste of 1885. This shows a couple of interesting details: One - his Patent as a Premier-Lieutenant in the Saxon Army was nearly two years less senior with a seniority date of 14.4.67. Secondly as at the publication date of this list he had held only charakteristierte or the brevet rank of Major for some six years (like many of his contemporaries) even though serving in an active duty regiment. I do not have his Patent date as a substantive Major. Regards Glenn

This from the Offizier-Stammliste of Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 64. It can be seen from this that Herr Koch eventually rose to the rank of char. Major and changed his name to Koch-Hagen in 1894. It also shows that he was wounded twice at Vionville: Shell splinter in the back and a gunshot wound to the left hip. Regards Glenn