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Of course, after Wagram there was also the increased possibility that eagles would be captured, given the horribly depleted troop strengths after the bloodbath. There were special sergeants assigned to guard the eagles. They carried pistols instead of muskets, had special insignia, ceremonial poleaxes and shorter Roman style swords (for stabbing). They were big men who were picked for their killing abilities.

Etatsmassiger Feldwebel was a senior rank to deputy officer? I did not know that. Did they get paid more? In most of the regimental histories i read/see OffcrStllvtrs. are mentioned as officers and in the postcards of 'the officers' mess in Warsaw, 1916,' they are also there with the rest of the officer cadres.

very interesting. Did the Bulgarian academies ever do yearbooks like they do over here? Is there a Bulgarian officers' Association?

Now-to get it to a good book scanner! Can you help me there at all? Paul? Glenn? Andy?

there are actually two listed in the index-both Hauptmanns in the artillery (heft IV: pgs. 14 & 34). Hptm. A.R. 16: 1 Abt., Art. Rgt. 52, 1.5.31 (2) / 1 (pg.14-I think this is your man) and Hptm. A. R. 56: III Abt. , Art. Rgt.22 (A.R.6), 1.4.34 (60) / 8 (pg. 34)

wow-that is a photo!! :Cat-Scratch:

waaay cool! That is a Fantastic document. This is when they reduced the eagles from battalion standards to regimental ones and marks the high water mark of the grand Armee. Flag collectors LOVE eagles. They are the ultimate military collectible. I would happily trade every medal I have for one. I saw an 1815 one at Traditions when I was a kiddie on Bond Street-a mere 600 pounds-a years' mortgage in those days. I almost convinced my Dad to get it, but Mum said "no".

Well, we can be sure of the UN medal too, which I am convinced is a Derg era award. Also, we know about the bravery medals for certain. I am 99% certain that the Derg had tricolor style ribbons for most of their awards. I would bet $20 that the Refugees medal was red/white/red. I am searching for photos of awards. The Derg didn't wear many of them in the videos I have found, BUT the Ethiopian military alumni associations in the USA have many guys in them who list their awards proudly. Hopefully, I will be able to interview somebody locally soon who can tell me for certain.

Hmmmmmm...no Baden Jubilee, no 1897 Centennial, no REO/CO -methinks the 1925-30 Reichsheer list may show something.

It does- Thankee!

a friend of mine gave me a book yesterday, "The Army In India And Its Evolution":1924 printed in Calcutta by the Supndt. of Govt. Printing. Any thoughts as to the usefulness and accuracy of this work before I start reading? Is it worth my time?

No, not doubting you at all, merely mentioning a factoid (note the use of the word"though", implying less than full confidence in a stated fact). The medal for sale is in the UK. .........as an aside, this is reminiscent of my favorite topic in African medals-"what ribbons did the Ethiopian Derg use" (I think I now know)? Medal-Med... and I disagree, as genteel folk do, but neither of us know exactly.

21???? Great picture, esp. given medal #3!

It's all here folks, complete with notes through 1937. It was a good day, despite the arctic conditions in the book barn.

The one triangle ribbon I have seen on-line is orange with blue stripes at the edge. It's on a dealers' site though.

Hear! Hear!!

Ex-Seymour collection? I have Seymours' old history of the 14th Baden art. book (obtained from you Jeff) and I note he asterisked the name.

Cool pic! In the service of Clio, as Chris says.

:rolleyes: :cheers:

My bad-I looked at the book again-1st battery 5th Bay. Fussart. ALL officers got a Bavarian award and an EK2. I misread the transfer dates. It was very rare not to get an EK2 if one had a BMVK3x. There are about a half dozen enlisted cases where men got a Bav. medal only and entered service in 1914/15 and served right through to 11/1918. The VAST majority of men got transferred out into other units and received at least one medal, usually the EK2. Once the men were transferred to another unit, additional awards are unknown, but numbers alone would argue somewhat against it, as there were @ 350,000 BMVKxs awarded and @ 1 million EK2s to the Bavarian army, a ratio of @1:3 during the war. Of course a number died before they could earn an additional medal. Pity poor Kanonier Johan Walter List#199 who entered the battery on 8.5.1914 and stayed with the unit throughout the war, only receiving his solitary EK2 on 6.23.1918. There seems to be no correlation at all between awards of EKs and Bavarian medals by date. that is, medals were not earned and then another followed on a few months later in due course. Almost all awards are widely scattered by date, inferring separate acts of bravery/merit. There were a number of "mass award" dates, esp. for the Bavarian medals, usually about a month after a significant battle (and a number of deaths/wounds noted). Lastly, interestingly, there are a number of posthumous EK awards! Kanonier Muller of Liebsthal, for example, entered the battery on Nov. 20, 1916, earned his BavMVK3x on May 5, 1917 and was KIA on April 13, 1918 when he was shot through his left upper arm and his back by artillery shrapnel. His EK2 was awarded on April 17, 1918.

also referred to as " (schnallen?) Schanlle" they were replaced by medals in 1913, although some soldiers mistakenly kept older ribbons on their bars.

It is an patriotic unofficial medal struck after the overthrow of the Sultan to show support for the new republic. It's on page 370 Metin Erureten's book on turkish medals.

A very interesting discussion. Over the past 6 months a significant number of common bars (e.g. EK2/BMVK3x/HKx: EK2/HKx) are often going for less (@10-20%) than the medals might go for individually, which shows a lack of market interest .

A very interesting and useful thread. What types do we see/have on medal bars out there? Personally, (sadly) I don't have any Spanish awards bars.

Not uncommon - also depends upon the state. Some state automatically awarded you their medal if you got the EK2. I have the complete awards roster for a Bavarian artillery battery (through April, 1919) and of @650 men who served/rotated through the unit, about 70% got something. However, only about 20% got a Bavarian medal only. The officers of course ALL got EK2s and BMVOxs-except the veterinarian (who got nothing) and the chaplain, who got only the BMVOx.