Dave: Point taken (RE: NCOs)-but I'm showing my age and odd military background. I still think in terms of the 1960s-early 1970s, before rank and medal inflation took place in the US forces. I still distinctly remember when the specialist stripes began to appear. I however, clearly remember Sergeants at 3-4 years, although they were flight crew on B-52s and it was 1970. When I was a Nipper, below three stripes was not allowed in the NCOs' club and you actually had a significant number of NCOs passed over and out above five stripes. I understand however, that the Airmans' school and the NCO school are more readily entered if one has a college degree.