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Hi Guys, Wonder if any can help me identify these two uniforms, that I suspect are British, but I am not sure. Also if they can be dated. Thanks, Kind regards Karsten

Hi Guys, I was looking through the papers in the folder that was left for us about our house build in 1901. Among photo´s, old deed´s etc, I was very surprised to find copies of an old police report dated 1940 and a later newspaper article about my house. When the war broke out the occupying German forces detained British war reporters and one of them, R.Selkirk Panton was interned in my house for a short period!! I did a quick search on him, but unfortunately I could not find a photo of him. Apparently he was a very significant journalist. This is was I found: Selkirk Panton was a Daily Express journalist who covered Berlin, like Louis Lochner and William Shirer, for twelve years. His papers are in the National Library of Australia. Attached to the British Second Army HQ, he witnessed the events just after Himmlers death in May 1945. Ronald Selkirk Panton, born in Sydney, was for 22 years the chief foreign correspondent for the London Daily Express in Germany and Central Europe and later wrote on foreign affairs for the Sydney Sun. He was interned in the German prison camp Store Grundet in Denmark from 1940 to 1944, and was the only Australian journalist present at the Nuremberg war crimes trials 1945-1946, witnessing and recording the executions of the convicted. If anyone knows where to find a photo of him, I would be very thankful. KR Karsten

Hi, It is a fine unmarked Meybauer Clasp. You will find the research here: Maker Revealed of unmarked LW Clasp Best Regards Karsten

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The Juncker Airgunner Arrows pointing out some of the many difference on eagle and wreath from the Deumer AG

Hi John I do not have any info that Juncker is the deliver of parts to Deumer for their Airgunner, do you? That would be new info for me in that case. A part for this, I have to kindly disagree with your assumptions. First of all, the J4 ROAG and the Juncker airgunner do share the same wreath, but the eagles are different, so a "bolts removed or a correction to the die" of the eagle as you state is IMO out of the question. I have pointed out a few of the differences ( see attached images) The Eagle on the Juncker Airgunner was made from it´s own die. If you compare the Juncker Airgunner with the Deumer Airgunner, Neither the eagle nor the wreaths are identical as you can see on the images. This does not exclude Juncker from being the maker of the Deumer dies, but I have to this date not see anything evidence that should suggest this? Karsten

Hi Guys, Thank you. Sure, I will add it to the GCA LW forum as well. KR Karsten

Hi Dan Time-line of Deumer. A. Is the first of Deumers ROAG´s and is a fully Juncker Design of Eagle and wreath. No Doubt that Juncker was involved in this. If they where made by Juncker, is not really known for sure, but it seems very likely that Juncker produced the eagles and wreaths for Deumer, but Deumer assembled them, and applied the set-up on the reverse is quite clear. There is also some uncertainty about date, but it should be approx. 1938/39-1940 B. A Deumer produced ROAG in Nickel-Silver. Different eagle and wreath from Juncker. Easiest way to tell them apart with the naked eye is properly the air-hole in the beak, which the Juncker designed eagle does not have. produced 1940- 1941/42. C. Same design as B, but in zinc. air-hole in the beak is removed and the area between the upper swastika and the bolts is filled out. Produced 1941/42-1945. D. Airgunner designed by Deumer and also in zinc. Produced 1942/43-1945. E. Same design as D, but with black wreath and silver eagle + Swastika. Produced 1944-1945.

Hi Guys, I was wondering if anybody could help me to find some information on a Major Hans Otto Franke. He was apparently a commander in the 116th PANZER DIVISION "Windhund". Reciepient of Ehrensblatt, Deutsche Kreuz, Eisernes Kreuz I & II and Verwundetenabzeichen in Gold. I was able to secure this 57er DKIG and the miniatures. I would really like to see a photo of him and learn more about him. He apparently continued his career in the Bundeswehr Best Regards Karsten

Hi Guys BTW, The Clasps in post #1,3 & 13 are most likely Meybauer and not FLL. Best Regards Karsten

Some very nice clasps indeed. Best Regards Karsten

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Hi Mike Very nice Flak you have there. You just tempted me, to post mine Best Regards Karsten

Hi Guys Very interesting thread indeed. I must say that I am with Darell on this. IMO there is no doubt that this is a cast from an original ROAG. I would be very surprised if this bird holds the dimensions and weight. What immediately stroke me was the very narrow long neck, slim wings and body. The wreath also seems more oval that usual, but this can of course be due to the angle of the image. As Tom mention the rivets are off. They look very titty/convex which that are not suppose to. The rivets should be in a flat cylinder shape, and it is the rivet tool that has the point in the center which occur on the rivet when tightened by stroke. The rivet should look like a flat donut and not pointy. Steve, when you add new images, could you please make a side shot of the eagle, to determine if it has a slightly concave shape? Best Regards Karsten

Hi Dave I have this and not my ballgame, so if you are interested in it drop me a pm. Best Regards Karsten

Hi Eric Great to find a soul-mate of these ROAG and AG´s It has been a while since I had this bugger in the hand, but my memory is clearing. The eagle and wreath is aluminum with a copper coating on the wreath. The entire badge weights only 13,5 gram. Cheers Karsten

Hi Gordon This would be a first for me to see a factory cut-off on this type of badge with burnish covering the area. Are you sure it is not patina? My wondering is because this is the earliest of JMME´s ROAG and would have been made long before 1942 IMO. I have only seem believable burnish on a few very early JMME ROAG´s and only on Juncker designed ones. As you know JMME is known to have silver eagles. The timeline is: - Juncker Design JMME ROAG in Buntmetall - JMME Design JMME ROAG in Buntmetall - JMME Design JMME ROAG in zinc However I would not be surprised to see factory-made Cut-off ROAG of JMME Design in zinc, and maybe a slight chance in buntmetall, but the Juncker Designed ROAG is to early production to have been modified by factory in June 1942. I don´t think JMME ever produced the Airgunner badge, since it has yet not surfaced. But as always there are no absolutes. Best Regards Karsten

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Hi Gordon A very nice Cut-off ROAG indeed. This is one of JMME´s earlier piece where they used the design of Juncker, and in your case both eagle and wreath. It is somewhat a mystery what was going on, and is unknown what degree of involvement Juncker had in these badges. It is still unknown if Juncker simply sold the die to JMME, or if they sold parts, for JMME to assemble, or if they started out with selling part and later sold the die to JMME. We are yet to learn, no clear evidence has submerged, so until then, I prefer to call it Juncker Design, rather than Juncker part. Your badge, has had it´s bolt´s removed, which was done around 1942, when the Airgunner badge was instituted. Everybody that was already Airgunner´s but had already received the ROAG, had to remove their bolt´s from the badge. You will see this procedure done on buntmetall as well as on zincer, since the production of ROAG was already switched to zinc prior to the awarding of the newly made Airgunner, which was only produced in zinc. In the period between regulations and finished airgunner badges ready for being awarded, the manufacturers carried out the procedure of removing the bolt to meet the requirements. I have posted one from my collection of these factory cut-off badges from Assmann & Sohne. The cut-off procedure was done before applying burnish, and as you can see the burnish is also covering the area where the bolt´s have been removed. Best Regards Karsten P.S. Gordon, the catch on you badge seems repaired, but never the less a great piece of history. :cheers:

Hi Jan It is most likely copper coated. I don´t think it is solid copper. In the meantime I have managed to secure it for my collection @Eric that is a sweet zincer in the best condition. It has the age look to it, but is still in remarkable condition with highpolish. Karsten

Darn, Eric. And you have them both Thanks mate Best Regards Karsten

Hi Guys I was wondering if there is anybody out there that has a GWL ROAG? I know of the AG (without blitz) but has never encountered a ROAG (with blitz) Hope there is somebody out there that has images of one. Best Regards Karsten

Well well. Seems like you guys have also been busy discussing the Assmann badge over here. Cheers Karsten

Totally agree. Frank´s has this matt finish to the wreath, that makes me a bit unsure, even thus I would not exclude it, it just that Skip´s leaves not doubt at all. Regards Karsten

Hi John That is indeed very nice and "Skip" is the owner of the badge. Cheers Karsten