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PC feared account of Hillsborough tragedy would be 'magicked away' if changes refused, jury told Jurors were today told of claims made by Maxwell Groome, a former PC with South Yorkshire Police https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/pc-feared-account-hillsborough-tragedy-20591452.amp A PC's account of the Hillsborough disaster was changed to remove criticisms of police, but notes about drunk fans were kept in, a jury heard. PC Maxwell Groome was on duty for the match at Sheffield Wednesday's stadium. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-56987464.amp PC Maxwell Groome had been on duty at Hillsborough during the disaster. A line in his original statement reading, “The control room seemed to have been hit by some sort of paralysis,” was removed in an amended version. https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/51744/Solicitor+advised+police+officer+to+review+criticism+of+top+cops+after+Hillsborough+disaster

Interesting that he was awarded the war medal and not the defence medal or indeed both? Also curious that he has the British war medal not the Indian?

Interesting theory Alan!! Such a shame all aren’t identified. I wonder whether PC Phipps is in there somewhere? On a similar theme is the above thread, although not Watkins related, thought it might be of interest?

Unfortunately the medal itself remains in English. It’s just the engraving of the rank which is done in Welsh.

Final price £93.01 + postage and packing. Not an unreasonable amount I thought?

Just out of interest, what are these bars made of? If it’s silver I fear many my have been scraped?

There’s a Police/Prison Officer Cyprus Campaign, general service medal currently on EBay, which might be of interest? 144086076677 (I’m not the seller)

This sounds like a cracking idea!! Leave it with me.

Two examples of British LSGC’s awarded to Australian recipients. Note that the naming does not include their rank.

WANTED Am trying to locate a British police LSGC to an Australian Police recipient. They were issued between 1956 - 1975 and can be told apart from a British example, as the engraving is either just initials and surname, or none U.K. police ranking. If anyone has an example that they’d consider selling or swapping, please PM.

My Great Grandfather John Propert was in the Merchant navy. He was an electrician, onboard the SS Justicia, when it was torpedoed and sunk in 1918. He survived the sinking. Handwritten on the back of his portrait photograph he has recorded. First torpedo 2.35 pm July 19th, 1918 Second TWIN Ts 8.35 am July 20th, 1918. Sank 1.50 pm July 20th, 1918.

Thanks again DPK. This information is greatly appreciated!!! I must say, I too am baffled as to were all the U.K. type LSGC’s are! There’s certainly no shortage of British ones for the same period in the U.K.! If we compare them to say the South Atlantic Medal, relatively few of them were issued and a relatively recent award, yet they come up on the market fairly regularly and command a far higher premium. The examples I’ve seen also come with far more service history than a U.K. one normally would. Is it possible to obtain service history or are the examples I’ve seen just been lucky to have this information with them?

Thanks dpk! Very interesting! This has certainly opened a whole new collecting sphere to me. However tracking any down seems to be another story, they certainly don’t appear to be as easily obtainable as a U.K. version would be!!!

I’m wonder now whether this medal was perhaps an Australian Police LSGC issued between 1956-75? The crude type of engraving being perhaps burr engraving? Clive Johnson book Australian's Awarded that this medal could be either impressed when gazetted and issued by the UK but with initials and surname. He goes on the say more commonly when awarded locally (in Australia) it will be burr engraved with initials surname and sometimes rank.

I’m told that there is a book by a chap called Clive Johnson called Australian's Awarded. In that he states that this medal could be either impressed when gazetted and issued by the UK but with initials and surname. He goes on the say more commonly when awarded locally (in Australia) it will be burr engraved with initials surname and sometimes rank.

Thanks Marcon1, Just trying to see if there’s going to be a way to identify the recipient as being an Australian Bobby without any sort of paperwork or other providence. Would there perhaps be a clue in the rank? Another option I thought was given the period in question 1956-1975 would they have been issued in the white cardboard box? Would this box have the particular force documented on the label like U.K. forces did?

Whilst researching something else I stumbled across this group. I have since learned that the British Police LSGC was also issued to Australian Bobbies. Not heard of this before, has a whole new collecting sphere opened itself up to me? Can anyone answer these questions for me? When did this this practice start and cease? Is there a way to tell them apart from a British issued one? Are they engraved? What type of engraving is used? Do they have rank and name like a British one? Are the ranks different? What about other commonwealth countries, Canada for example did they use this medal as well?

Certainly the highest rank, I’ve ever seen on an LSGC. Assistant Chief Constable King’s Police Medal ‘PERCY MELHUISH. SUPDT. DEVONSHIRE CONSTABY’ British War Medal 404291 . CPL . P . MELHUISH . R.A.F Victory Medal 404291 . CPL . P . MELHUISH. R.A.F’ WWll Defence medal 1939 - 1945 1937 Coronation Medal CHIEF . INSPR . P . MELHUISH . DEVON . CONSTASTY’ Police along Service Medal PERCY MELHUISH . ASST . CH . CONST. Note that his rank is engraved after his name, not seen that before either.

Saw an operational service medal on TV a short while ago. Curious as to why the chaps regimental number is at the end? Is this common practice for OSM’s? My two named medals GSM & Iraq both have my regimental number first.

Over the years I’ve bought and then subsequently sold hundreds of medals. The one I regret parting with the most is this one, if anyone should happen to know it’s current whereabouts I would very much like to hear from you.

Awarded to Sgt Llewelyn H Jones, Denbighshire, although letter from Chief Constable sent to Sgt Jones at Ivy cottage, Menai bridge, Anglesey, and its dated 26th november 1952.

Many thanks Marcon1, greatly appreciated. That is ideal!! Is this a medal you have in your collection?

Thanks Marcon1. The Elizabeth ii Dei Gra Britt Omn Regina FD example is certainly proving to be a difficult medal to track down. I know it exists and was issued only for a very short period of time. I have found a picture of a miniature example but the full size one eludes me!!

Has anyone got a good quality photo of one of these medals that they'd share with me? Have scoured the internet and am unable to find one? Has anyone got one in their collection? They seem to be very difficult to come by?