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Ladies/Gents, I was pondering the concept of why Welsh forces can't have Cwnst instead of Const for example on the rim of their LSGC's. Surely this would be covered by the Welsh language act? I wonder why it has been approached before, maybe it has? Anyone got any thoughts or opinions they'd like the share on the matter? From a collector researching aspect, if would certainly narrow down the field significantly wouldn't it? Welsh Ranks Constable - Cwnstabl Sergeant - Rhingyll Inspector - Arolygydd Chief Inspector - Prif Arolygydd Superintendent - Uwcharolygydd Chief Superintendent - Prif Uwcharolygydd Chief Constable - Prif Cwnstabl

I'll just leave this here.................

Just out of interest, how easy is it to research City of London Police Officers, who were awarded the 1887 & 1897 Jubilee Medals?

Just out of interest how easy is it to research City of London Police Officers, who were awarded the 1887 & 1897 Jubilee Medals?

This medal and accompanying letter sold recently on Ebay for £82.39. Bit pricey I thought, but there can't be many examples of the letter in existence?

The names of the officers in the photo have been written on the back of the photo, at some point. *** denote were the print was so worn it can't be made out. italics denote were the text was very poor condition and I've made an educated guess as to what I think it could be. Sadly some of officers we'll never know what their names are (from this source anyway) as the text is totally worn out. Back Row Left to Right PC A H WILLIAMS PC David THOMAS PC Griffith WILLIAMS PC Morgan DAVIES PC Jesse ROBERTS PS Grigg DAVIES Insp O C Davies Second Row Left to Right PS David ROBERTS Insp W D WILLIAMS ***** JONES PC Maybury MO***** (MORRIS) Insp D L DAVIES PC Owen JONES PC John JONES ** R D ROBERTS *** J J GRIFFITHS ** E ******** Front Row Left to Right PC J M JONES PC Morgan JONES PS J MORGAN JONES SUPT D T ********* Chief Constable Richard JONES SUPT J F EVANS PS J BERNARD PS John LLOYD PC Evan DAVIES

Am curious to know if a US service person, was awarded a British medal (say a Military Cross), what would the order of wear be? Would it be worn before US campaign medals but after US gallantry medals or worn after all US medals?

Interesting. So by that rational would an off duty police constable's George Medal be named to PC **** Met Police?

Thanks Jim!!!

I was researching something else when I cam across this.. I'm curious to know whether the medal would be awarded to Capt Gold RAMC or just Mark Gold? As I'm assuming he was home of leave at the time (and off duty?) Assuming it's named to Capt Gold RAMC would the same be true if he'd been a Constable or Firefighter who was off duty?

Thanks Dave, that's really interesting & sad at the same time. Especially with regards to PC Rowlands. I'd be interested to know more about the incident, where did it occur. With the subsequent amalgamations does this mean that NWP can claim his George Medal? I seem to recall seeing a KPM (gallantry) in a display case in Wrexham station years ago. Not sure whose it was or what the circumstances of it where either? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/arthur-rowlands-policeman-who-was-awarded-the-george-medal-8468693.html This newspaper report suggests that "He and the three colleagues who arrested his assailant were awarded the George Medal." Are the other two Officers known? Here's a photograph of the names on the rear of this picture. You can just make out a few of the names, some of them are really difficult to make out when your looking at it directly. But I'll try and copy them out, from the original when I get a minute.

Cheers Tom makes perfect sense now!!!! Can you or anyone else answer my other question? "Due to the fact that these Divisions came under Metropolitan Police, is the research potential for their officers the same for them as regards, service papers, etc. Where all the officers trained in London and then posted to these divisions or where they trained locally"?

Thanks Dave, that is very interesting. Curious how the docks within the Met area weren't covered by the Met but ones as a far a field as Wales were?

Due to the fact that these Divisions came under Metropolitan Police, is the research potential for their officers the same for them as regards, service papers, etc. Where all the officers trained in London and then posted to these divisions or where they trained locally. Why did the East End docks not have their own number force?

Many thanks Odin, that all makes very interesting reading and I know we should condone such outrageous behaviour but it did bring a smile to my face. Of course the next question is were can I find the relevant police orders? Will this require a visit to Kew? Anyone going to Kew?

Many thanks Odin. Am I understanding this correctly then that the 1918 strike resulted in no sackings (but if there was, the men were reinstated?). It was the "Dessent" chaps of 1919 that all got sacked and never served again? Interestingly I have come across several examples of medals to sacked chaps recently don't know if that's just been my good fortune or if they appear regularly. I assume the N division one command a premium?

I hope so, I'll keep the thread updated with any developments.

Has anyone got any experience of researching officers disciplinary offences, who could offer me some advice? What type of information would be contained, if I can find his entry? The officer in question is PC William Arthur WHIFFEN - Disciplinary Offence as 250H in Jan 1900 while he was serving in H Div.

Metropolitan Police. Is there a list of officers that went on strike, but weren't sacked? (in 1918 & 1919). I have a trio to an officer who didn't retire until October 1919, I'd be curious to know if he striked or not, being so close to drawing his pension. He was in S Division at the time, in Chistlehurst. Which division(s) had the most sacked officers? I wonder how many officers striked in 1918 but were not sacked , but where then sacked for striking again in 1919.

There is a consensus that perhaps all the Bobbies in this picture weren't all stationed at Corwen, but had been drafted in just for the Eisteddfod. I'm not sure myself, they all seem to have C on their collars, which I assume is for Corwen? If you break them down into rotas (excluding the senior officers), 7 on a rota perhaps 3 rotas, seems to be 3 Sgt's in their and a couple of Lance Jack's. Not entirely sure what they are, senior Bobbies I assume?

Yes indeed!!!!.

What a great story. I wonder how it came to end up in the garden. Why don't I ever find things like that .

Not a good day to ring in sick then ..... Dave, Just out of interest, did any of the North Wales forces go on strike?

Dave that's great and in far better condition than the one at the station. The names are written on the back in pen as if someone knew who they all were. It's been sent off to be framed, before I could copy out the names, so standby on that...............

Dave, that is certainly very interesting. I will attempt to ascertain the names of all the Officers, which is on the back on the one in the nick, if you'd be interested? As I've mentioned above there all called Jones and the like so researching them would be like a needle in a hay stake I imagine!!! I would be interested to learn whether their medals were named?