Claudio

Hi Pierce! If that blue white striped ribbon with crown device is a British Jubilee medal, then it narrows completely down to a unique possible wearer... I only was a bit puzzled to see a couple of Saxon Duchies ribbons they might have on this bar as well... especially that black yellow ribbon with the year device Ovale silberne Herzog Carl Eduard Medaille mit Krone ( home war merit medal with year of bestowal). But again in this case the original owner of this unique ribbon bar decided only to wear these orders and no medals. Thank you for all your inputs. C

Naturally I thought of him first, too, but Charles Edward (Carl Eduard von Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha) was awarded of many more and completely different awards... there are lots of pictures of him wearing different medal and ribbon bars, but no-one with that particular combination like I have shown in my thread. Carl Eduard wore such a wide variety of miniature ribbons bar, double rows ribbon bars, single normal sized ribbon bars, full sized medal bars... and he also wore lots different uniforms, Old Imperial Officer/General, Freikorps, SA, NSKK, Allgemeine-SS (black), Head of the Reichsluftschutzbund or as President of the German Red Cross uniforms... and many more. I'm posting some of the photographs with him, just to show you all, how many uniforms and different sets of medal/ribbon bars he had. Just incredible! But unfortunately, I don't think it is "my guy"... ? Yes, strange but not impossible or maybe he did not wear all the ribbons of the decorations he was bestowed. Thank you all for your interesting point of views and comments. Claudio

Yes and no, the German Social welfare decoration was also the successor order of the German Red Cross decoration... and these Japanese Red Cross decoration you could easily be bestowed by giving an important amount of money as charity to the Japanese Red Cross organisation. Besides Japan was an important ally of the triple steel anti communist pact of Germany/Italy/Japan.

On the ribbon bar are: Prussia, EK1914 2 Kl. 3rd Reich, KVK 2. Kl. with swords Saxony Kingdom, Order of St. Heinrich (RK or medal? both possible) Saxon Duchies, Saxon Ernestine House Order (probably RK 2nd or eventually 1st class) 3rd Reich, FEK (aka Hindenburg cross) Bulgaria Kingdom, Cross of military merit on Bravery ribbon Ottoman Empire, Imtiyaz Medal with crossed swords (Bravery Medal) 3rd Reich, Deutsches Volkpflege-Ehrenzeichen (Social Welfare Decoration), highest class (Breast star) 3rd Reich, Luftschutz-Ehrenzeichen (Air Defence Decoration), highest class (1st class) 3rd Reich, German Olympic Decoration, very likely highest (neck) class because of the enamelled eagle Not sure: Greece Kingdom, Order of the Redeemer Italy Kingdom/Fascist Era, Order of the Saints Mauritius & Lazarus, highest class (Breast star) Japan, red cross decoration Hungary, National Order of Saint Stephan, highest class (Breast star) You were by seconds quicker than me...

Dear forumites! After a long pause I’m happy to show my latest acquisition: a beautiful Godet made ribbon bar with lots of exotic miniature devices and narrow ribbons (10mm). Can this be id’ed? This certainly belonged to high ranking government functionary or aristocratic VIP. Thank you in advance for inputs and opinions. Best regards C

Hi Roman! I knew that you’re more a Lippe-Detmold kind of collector ? I’m a bit surprised that there were so many possible candidates... Thank you anyway for looking into it. BR Claudio

Nice stuff!!!! Do the ribbon bars come with name’s attributions?

Very, very nice ribbon bar! My compliments... ?

The two bars are almost identical for what concerns the style of mounting and the type of red fabric on the reverse. But for sure there are not many bars like these ones or even with the very same exclusive Schaumburg-Lippe connection. It could be that the original wearer had two of them: that is nevertheless strange because one he would have mounted it as a Frackspange (tuxedo bar) and the other one as ordinary bar. The holes on the back are just superficial moths damage to the fabric.

Dear forumites, I was checking some old images of my brother's collection and I stumbled on this old and tiny jpg-Picture of an old Hüsken's catalogue, a German dealer of Hamburg. My brother acquired this bar from Thies in 2004 well after the Hüsken's catalogue came out, but fortunately my brother saved the Hüsken pics of this bar, that it was sold WITH a named document (!!!!). Unfortunately the documents is so tiny that I can only read the name Adolf Krause... Hof... something, very likely he worked at the court of the Fürst of Schaumburg-Lippe. Here's the composition of the bar: Schaumburg-Lippe Kreuz für treue Dienste am Nichtkämpferband (OEK 1256/1); Schaumburg-Lippe, Hausorden, goldene Verdienstkreuz, 1917-1918 (OEK 1219); Schaumburg-Lippe, Hausorden, silberne Verdienstkreuz, 1869-1918 (OEK 1220), Br vg (1914-1917); Schaumburg-Lippe, Erinnerungsmedaille an die Silberne Hochzeit, 1907 (OEK 1242). As you can see it's the same bar we are speaking of; somebody has the entries of the Schaumburg-Lippe medals rolls? Maybe we could now more about the original owner of this singular medal bar devoted entirely to Schaumburg Lippe. I'm eagerly waiting for your precious inputs and thank you in advance for your interest. Best regards, Claudio PS: I forgot to say that the Golden Verdienstkreuz on the bar was very sparely conceded... this is a Silver gilted version not the full Golden one... that would be even rarer!

Dear forumites, I’m also with Sascha and Laurentius here: the second order should be a Waldeck 4th class Verdienstkreuz (only 596 Verleihungen). Therefore there are good chances of this bar to be ID’ed. cheers C

Here von Rundstedt’s ribbon bar...

Here are mentioned the numbers of the MVO4X für Kriegsverdienst (Beamtenband) Militärverdienstorden : 544

... but wasn’t the medal bar later cannibalized? I hope not.... ?

Wow Paul! I remember you mentioned it to me some years ago. If you compare the ribbons how are folded, the position of the DA eagles it looks like it’s the bar on the picture....??

Dear forumites, Here's a nice and rare picture I recently purchased with von Rundstedt and his bar. I can see following orders and medals on his bar (correct or fill me in if I am wrong): Pr EK2 1914 Pr HOH Kreuz der Ritter mit X Bay. MVO 4X mit Krone Sachsen Königreich, Albrechts-Orden RK 1. Kl. mit X Lippe-Detmold, KVK 2. Klass am Band für Kämpfer FEK (Hindenburg cross) WH DA für 25 J. WH DA für 8 J. Pr Kronen Orden 4. Klasse Waldeck und Pyrmont, Kreuz 4. Klasse ohne X Sachsen Weimar, Weissen Falken RK 2. Kl. mit X (or 1. Kl.???) SEHO RK 1st or 2nd class ??? Schwarzburg-Sonderhausen, Fürstl. Ehrenkreuz 3. Klasse (not sure} China Denkmünze (???), not entirely sure but almost, since I did see somewhere his ribbon bar with the China DM Centenarmedaille KuK MVK 3. Kl. mit KD What do you think? I am looking forward to your interesting opinions and inputs. Cordially C

Hi! I’m not looking to identify medals or orders on the bar but the whole bar to a possible wearer. This however is not so easy... best regards C

Thanks Sascha, for looking into it. It's really a very elusive bar to identify... who knows; maybe one day we will find a picture of the wearer on the net... Rick L. would have enjoyed it very much to search for it... Cheers, Claudio

Thank you very much... very interesting and beautiful photographs! ?

Another nice picture of Ambassador von Mackensen (from the book, Die Deutscher Generalfeldmarschälle und Grossadmiräle 1936-1945, Peter Stocker, page 21).

the 4th medal it’s just an unofficial Weimar era award Deutsche Ehrendenkmünze des Weltkrieges , very likely it was also awarded to foreigners who volunteered as medics or Red Cross officials on the side of the Germans.

Hi, The mounting style looks very Swedish, mounted like the German style, but with that exactly same type of metallic pin and catch and no fabric covering the reverse. That would explain the missing Ehrenkreuz for non combatants. Strange is that there isn’t a single Swedish order or medal on this bar. It could also be that this was the second bar showing only the foreign awards. cheers Claudio PS: see my thread of 2009 Thread

Sure! You’re right.... ???? No Godet this time... but I had to have it since I saw it already on Thies auction in 2006, coming from the famous Seymour’s collection...

Thanks Laurentius. Here I'm posting all the documents that the Bavarian State archives could find on him; they were extremely helpful and very efficient and sent me all these documents in PDF format on a CD. There are some "Qualifikations-Bericht" that I can't read. Especially those of 1914 and 1913, same "shitty" hand writing... Maybe someone could help me? Thanks in advance! Sincerely, Claudio

Dear forumites, Here I would like to show you a nice complete group of an aristocratic Cavalry officer. Decorations on the medal bar: Photographs: Documents (list): Claudio