Peter J

Fake solid version

Fake stamped version

Hi Jos, Not bad at all . Four of these eagles are already shown here: #1 small A and DRGM, #2 zinc, #4 nickel and #5 large A. Coming up are the other three, which I believe all are bad. cheers Peter

Jos, a birds-eye wiew of a few eagles. You asked for images of both originals and fakes and this is a mixture. I'll post individual scans of all of them later on, perhaps you like to venture a guess first cheers Peter

"118 views and no additional comments..., this must be real boring stuff.., oh boy.." Hang in there Jos, I'm working on it cheers Peter

Thanks guys, my own assumption was pretty close to that cheers Peter

Very nice! cheers Peter

I stumbled into this interesting Dock workers "decoration". It's fascinating to see the amount of work that has been put into the creation of this badge. Any ideas about the time frame? cheers Peter

Finally a suspect half-size of the Cross of Liberty (28.5x23.5mm). I assume this is a post-war piece.

The miniature of the Order of the White Star. The ribbon is not correct, should be in light red moire.

The Order of the Cross of the Eagle. To bad the correct suspension loop is missing, but I have the correct ribbon for Commander.

Pluribus, outstanding decorations . I have a couple to add to this thread. First off the Home Guard Cross (please correct me if I'm mistaken). cheers Peter

Robert, I think both our hollow badges are close to identical. My pin is soldered a bit higher on the badge, hence the difference in knurls. The two most significant differences between the solid and hollow type, are the chest-feathers and the eye. The solid type shows a perfect circle, the other a slightly oval shape. There is no brand name on the gadget, but I'll see if I can find it for you. As for dinner, spicy minced beef in puff paste, jummy . Can't help you with the other question, the only Finnish "dish" I'm familiar with is VODKA cheers Peter

horizontal

Hi Robert, This is the same kind of caliper which Pascal offered a while back. I presume you'll find it on the net. It's tricky to measure these pins, you'll get different figures based on where you measure i.e. the vertical doesn't corrospond to the horizontal. I've marked where I placed the pin on the caliper. If you use the tips on the caliper, you'll get a slightly different outcome. There is also another thing I can't figure out about the hollow type i.e. there is no sign of any solder material, still the flat part of the pin is only showing partly. Please check our's and let me know how it looks. Well, back to the pots and pans for a Sunday dinner cheers Peter

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Robert, I found the brother to your hollow badge today. The comparison shot illustrates minor differences between the two versions i.g. the beak and cut-outs. I also noticed a difference in size, the solid is 23.65mm and the hollow 24.15mm. cheers Peter

Dave, the top bar with the Order of the Lion Commander is indeed correctly mounted with a button and a silver stripe. However if I'm not mistaken, the 1st class (neck-cross and Star) would have a button and a stripe with gold and silver The wider ribbon on my bar is a Order of the White Rose for Officer 2nd class. That would indicate the same size of ribbon was used on these two Orders, regardless of class. Still the Officer 1st class on my second bar feature a narrow ribbon, which gives no consistency to this theory. Complicated . cheers Peter

Dave, here's an example of the exception of the rule regarding the width. Also a standard Swedish ribbon bar for comparison, although I'm not too sure they normally feature a cloth backing. Another question is the difference in width between the various decorations. Your Order of the Lion and my Order of the White Rose are wider than the Cross of Freedom, which seems to have the less wide ribbon regardless of class. Any thoughts as to why? cheers Peter

The embossed seal is not correct i.e. the relief is positioned on the reverse! cheers Peter

Hi Sam, Here's another trapezoidal bar (the Bavarian style for comparison). The angled cuts aren't as extreme as on Rick's magnificent bar. KR Peter

Hi Gordon, Now it all makes sense Thanks for the clarification and the very informative scans KR Peter

Thanks Gordon, The reason for my confusion was image #45, which initially was said to be found in the 1938 edition. This minor mistake is understandable, considering the multitude of images you kindly offered us here on the forum. Is it possible that there is also a mix-up in reference regarding some of the other images in the Schickle catalogue, giving the fact that there is no consistancy in where the page numbers are positioned? KR Peter

Hi Gordon, I'm still not clear about a couple of things in this thread. The St & L catalogue from 1940 (or at least an excerpt of it) is said to contain an article, giving reference to the LDO-number L/16 and that they were considered re-strikes. The same article is referred to the 1941 catalogue (in the maker markings thread). Is it correct that both these catalogues featured it and if so, wouldn't that be strange, considering the introduction of LDO-numbers weren't introduced before spring 1941? My 2nd inquiry is about the 1938/40 Schickle catalogue. The pages 27-45 in this thread are related to the 1938 issue, while pages 47-58 are said to be in the 1940 section. Can you please confirm whether this is correct or not. I hope you don't mind me asking, but in order to establish an opinion of my own, I need the get the facts straight KR Peter

Two enamelled pieces related to the same "club". KR Peter