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  1. Dossenbach seems to have a third award on this ribbonbar which does not correspond with the list given by Deutschritter. The ribbon seems to be red-ish, although these old black-and-white pictures can be deceiving. Kind regards, Laurentius
  2. Thank you for this link Sandro, it's not often that we can put a face (even if it is a metal plaque rather than a photo) on jewelers of the past. Kind regards, Laurentius
  3. Most likely because it is a WW2 medalbar whereas you are in a forum aimed at German states (which ends in 1918 with some notable exceptions, such as the exile-pieces already mentioned). Not to mention the fact that the question regarding your medalbar is posted in a thread which has an active discussion on a different medalbar. Wondering whether a medalbar is a 'Frankenstein' is justified in my opinion when ample evidence is given, as @91-old-inf-reg does. He gives us four (solid in my opinion) indications that something might be wrong. There is ofcourse the possibility that the bar is genuine and that he is mistaken. It is merely a continuation of the discussion which might lead to different perspectives on the piece. Here too I have to disagree, silver-gilt in Prussian decorations usually points us at a post-1916 production date, which given the decorations (starting off in 1870, which means the recipient was born in or before 1852) could illicite suspicion regarding the pieces. @Komtur points us at the possibility that the HoH is either a post-1918 exile-production or a private-purchase piece. Simply because it is silver-gilt does not mean that it is private-purchase. There are official pieces made in silver-gilt and private-purchase pieces made in gold. The material alone is not enough to base a conclusion on. The conclusion was made based on the material and the quality. Is medalbar a Frankenstein-piece? I don't know. There are some things about this bar that assure me that is genuine whereas some other features make me frown. There is not enough 'wrong' to consider it fake or an amalgamation, but there is also not enough 'right' for me to consider it genuine (at this point). It is a civilian bar and those are always tricky. They are incredibly hard to identify (those who can are masters in their art, hence the reason we call them wizards sometimes) and there was much less control regarding the right way of wearing decorations. The little missing red cross on the second KO4 could be damage. Someone could have left out the bow on the RAO3Kr. Perhaps the HoH is a private-purchase or exile-piece. Lots of 'if' which can only be solved through discussion and the meeting of minds. Kind regards, Laurentius
  4. It's not the first model of 1848-1849. This is a later version. Looks good to me, pity about the small damage though. Kind regards, Laurentius
  5. Dear Nubirus, The Order of Peter Friedrich Ludwig was marked 'B. Knauer' untill the early twenties afterwhich they switched to 'Knauer'. If the B is missing one is dealing with a postwar-piece. Given the difference in quality between the B and Knauer I very much wonder if someone has been busy with a hammer and a screwdriver. I have some more doubts about the piece, but given the difficult nature of this order when it comes to the details I will await the opinion of more knowledgeable members. Kind regards, Laurentius
  6. So he is one of the rare Prussians who got the Iron Cross, the Pour Le Merite but not the HoH? seems a bit weird, you usually see that more with non-Prussians like Erwin Rommel. Kind regards, Laurentius
  7. He must have thought the sky was the limit, just look at the White Falcon, he was preparing for something grand.
  8. That would make for a nice addition to the mistakes in wear thread. Lovely picture overall. Kind regards, Laurentius
  9. I concur, followed by a Kronenorden and a Friedrichsorden. A fine bar, would make for a nice result
  10. Possible, but I don't think so. Schaetzell is shown to be a Rechtsritter since 1854, whilst my guy is an Ehrenritter. Did you find this information in the Sachsen-Anhalt Staatsbuch? On a unrelated note, my guy looks a bit like Otto von Bismarck, who was also an Ehrenritter, although he did have a tendency to wear the little white cross on his jacket too. Kind regards, Laurentius In this piece about an ironforge in the Harz area describes Schaetzell as a 'Staatsminister', just as you said. Wouldn't a staatsminister have more than 'just' a Johanniter-Orden? http://webdoc.sub.gwdg.de/ebook/ga/2002/pub/kunst/01H313/prom.pdf
  11. Dear fellow collectors, I recently won this painting at an auction. I received it last week, send it out to a restorer for a new frame (quite the hassle with an octagon-shaped painting) and now it's finished and hanging on the wall. A lovely portrait of a Johanniter Ehrenritter. Given the type of clothing and the manner of painting I would place this painting between 1860 and 1880. On the back of the frame is written 'Ballenstedt' with a blue pencil. Could this be a clue about the identity of the owner? Ballenstedt is a German last name but also the name of a town in Saxony-Anhalt. I am aware most members of the Prussian Order of St. John are not written down in lists but I wondered if anyone could take a look for the name Ballenstedt? He has no other decorations so anyone named Ballenstedt in the list with additional bling can be quickly discarded as the possible painted person. I know it's a long shot and that we probably won't end up with a identification but I'm greatful for all the help I get. Kind regards and thanks in advance, Laurentius
  12. That is his son Sir Colin Richard Keppel, we are looking for the decorations of Sir Henry Keppel. Graf has used both the names Henry and Colin in his first reaction, giving rise to the misunderstanding. Sir Henry Keppel died in 1904. His son became an admiral in 1908 and received the Swedish Order of the Sword that year. Kind regards, Laurentius
  13. Number four is the Prussian service decoration (PDA). Number eight is the Württembergian Order of the Crown (WK3). Number ten could be anything as long as it is wartime related. At first I thought it was the Hessian medal for bravery (given it's position next to the HP4x) but this seems inpausible given the colour of the ribbon. Kind regards, Laurentius
  14. A RAO, either fourth or third class and a French Legion D'Honneur. A Legion of Honour is not an uncommon decoration for someone working in a scientific field like botany. Kind regards, Laurentius
  15. No, researching the owner of this bar won't be possible. Researching is a minute science which requires hours of work in the hopes (often in vain) of finding a name. Given the large amount of missing awards I doubt an identification is possible. If we were to 'fill in' the blanks any name we could come up with would be impossible to confirm. A great bar, but it won't get a name. Kind regards, Laurentius
  16. In a different thread I talked about removing the ring of taller decorations to fit them on medalbars. I have observed this practice with the Saxe-Ernestine House-Order and the Bulgarian Order of Bravery. Given the size of the Order of the White Falcon this might have happened here too, so I would advice making two cardboard mock-ups, one with and one without the ring. Ofcourse when refurbishing this medalbar I would advice against removing rings, unless you happened to find a ringless example. Kind regards, Laurentius
  17. Despite the suggestions made by other members I reiterate my opinion that the third decoration on the red ribbon should be the Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach Order of the White Falcon. The silver merit cross of this order could be placed there as well, as was recommended by another member, however given the other decorations I find this to be a most unlikely combination. Given the primary connection to Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach I would think of a Saxe-Ernestine House-Order in place four followed by one or two Hanseatic crosses. This is all guesswork, other members and I recommend decorations based on what we think likely in combination with the orders/ribbons present. My thoughts could be completely right or completely wrong. One thing is certain, all the missing decorations between place two and place six are German state decoration. This limits it down, but still gives us a wide range. Kind regards, Laurentius
  18. Why strip the ribbons and ruin what's left of a great bar? Seems unwise to say the least.
  19. He is, and I quite agree. I believe the missing part of the medalbar to be all imperial. I highly doubt that a soldier/NCO would get so many different German and foreign orders. Must have been some special guy, connected to the Red Cross. Kind regards, Laurentius
  20. Dear Vit67, Number three could be the Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach Order of the White Falcon. Number thirteen is most likely the Ottoman Red Cross Decoration. A full restoration in my opinion is not a worthwhile effort. It would cost a tremendous amount of money, you'd need loads of the rare 15-mm ribbon which is commonly used on bigger bars not to mention the fact we won't be able to identify the medals missing after number three. It's a nice bar, you could fill up the empty ribbons but keep it at that. Kind regards, Laurentius
  21. Haus-orden can correctly be distinguished as the Saxon Verdienstorden. For regular people at home in a pre-computer age it was hard to keep up with the decorations of the 25 (!) different German states. Kind regards, Laurentius
  22. I wonder, given his lastname, whether he has Baltic-german ancestors? His dad was also a quite famous chap from the army, so was his grandfather. Kind regards, Laurentius
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