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  1. Dear CCJ, I agree that the loops on the left side are for the Iron Crescent. The horizontal loops on the right side are for a medal/ribbonbar which can be filled by any piece which is appropriate for the rank. Talking about rank, I don't have a great view of the shoulderboards but I think it is a colonel if my eyes do not deceive me, this would allow for some lovely steckkreuzen together with an EK1 on the lower right side. Kind regards, Laurentius
  2. Dear Andreas, I do not have enough experience with Dutch medals (despite being Dutch), so I don't know if this man's career has been written down anywhere. That being said, there have been dozens of Germans serving in the Dutch East-Indies both before and after WW1. I have seen several pictures and medalbars, plus atleast one frackspange of German veterans. I think one of the Dutch collectors here has a frackspange with an EK2 and Military Order of William Kind regards, Laurentius
  3. Dear Wessel Gordon, regardless of how interesting the discussion about the various colours of the replica Pour le Mérite is, I think it wise to contain this thread to the unsolvable medalbar in VtwinVince's collection. Kind regards, Laurentius
  4. I wonder how many field grade officers actually got a PLM with oakleaves, since they were only given to officers (usually generals) who had succesfully won a battle. This was also the reason Manfred von Richthofen couldn't receive the oakleaves, hence he was given the RAO3xKR. Kind regards, Laurentius
  5. Dear Dave, thank you, for your explanation is the perfect one for this subject, namely that assumptions can often not be made with certainty. I love how you used medalbars from your own collection to support your argument. Lovely pieces. Kind regards, Laurentius
  6. Dear fellow collectors, as every collector does I keep a keen eye out for anything that might fit well within my collection. Having surfed the internet for medalbars, pictures and decorations for a few years now I have noticed that it has become en vogue for dealers to give stories to medalbars. To be clear, these medalbars have not been identified, and they rarely have any form of provenence. This is ofcourse done solely to increase the value of the piece and the prestige of the dealer. For example, let's say we have a medalbar for sale of a junior officer, nothing too exciting, let's say an EK2, HH, ÖMVK medalbar. A dealer might now be inclined to say that this medalbar MUST have belonged to a junior officer who fought on the Eastern/Italian/Balkan front, for that is the place where the Austrians were. But this isn't true, we know that there were atleast two moments at which Austrians were present at the Western front (Early in 1914 with the Skoda guns and in 1918 at the end of the war). Other medals of which some dealers claim (for not all dealers do this, only some) are the Hungarian 'Pro Deo et Patria' and the Bulgarian Medal for WW1. If any of these medals are on a medalbar it is in there eyes clear evidence that this piece must have belonged to someone who served on the Eastern/Balkan front. But aren't these medals just decorations you apply for, the only requirement being having served during WW1? I know this topic is about non-German decorations so the Imperial section might not be too well-suited for it, however it is about decorations on German medalbars. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the matter. Kind regards, Laurentius
  7. Dear VtwinVince, would you happen to have some pictures of the restored medalbar? Kind regards, Laurentius
  8. I agree here with Nicolas, we can see that the fourth ribbon has been fashioned for a decoration with the general size equal to an EK, which would in my opinion pount to a HE3x rather than a HoH. Kind regards, Laurentius
  9. So that's were that lovely frackschnalle from Sascha Wöschler went Lovely example for your collection
  10. Dear Scottplen, this is a bad bar, even with the mediocre pictures you can see the terrible quality of the ribbon and of the sowing on the back. I hope a collector of Austrian awards can join in, it wouldn't surprise me if a number of the decorations also turn out to be fake. Kind regards, Laurentius
  11. Thanks for your help Nicolas. Assuming he has received the silver version of the medal (due to his rank) he would be one of only 300 recipients. That's lovely news. I initially bought the picture because of the fact that he is a WW2 officer wearing a House Order from WW1, but this medal makes it even more interesting. Kind regards, Laurentius
  12. Dear fellow forumites, I was lucky today and I managed to buy a lovely photograph of a German Oberst (colonel) from 1940, I will post it in this thread once I'm able to make a proper picture. He is wearing a medalbar with a EK2, HE3x, FEK, and an unknown medal (for the moment, I will dive in to find out what it is). I was wondering how many Princely House Orders of Hohenzollern 3rd class with swords were awarded during the first world war, would anyone be able to help me with this? Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius
  13. Dear Great Dane, The swords on the ring do signify he had a lower class of the order with swords ( in your case a 4th class). When there is a distinction like this with an officer (a peace-time and a war-time decoration) than two decorations are allowed to be worn. If your man had been a civilian, only receiving all his decorations without swords he would only be allowed to wear one. The reason why the Almanach printed both classes received is to avoid confusion. If someone gets a Crown Order 2nd class with swords on the ring he might have received a 3rd class with swords, or a 4th class with swords. Kind regards, Laurentius
  14. Maybe he liked the eagle better, seems to be a recurring theme in Germany in those days🤣
  15. Is it not possible perhaps, that he chose only to wear his German pre-war awards? All of his peacetime awards are German, whilst I can imagine that an up-and-coming colonel as himself, often praised for his work gathered quite an amount of awards. Maybe he had to make some tough calls and left several awards of his ribbonbar. Highly decorated men like Ludendorff always had to watch out not to wear ribbonbars which are too long, like Ludwig Beck in this picture. Kind regards, Laurentius
  16. I agree with Nicolas, the blue ribbon is a Friedrichsorden with swords. A KO4x would need the ribbon of the Iron Cross. I also agree that the sixt ribbon from the right, squeezed in between the Bavarian Order of St. Michael and the Centenary-medal, is a Long Service award. I had the same idea as Claudio, this could very well be a ribbonbar which belonged to Ludendorff. Kind regards, Laurentius
  17. Dear Utgardloki, I have seen several photographs and paintings of him in the past wearing his sashes in this style. Although it was customary to only wear one sash at the time I have seen many photos and paintings ranging from the Napoleonic Era untill now of people wearing two or more sashes. However, I have only seen this manner (cut sash attached to belt) with Wilhelm I. I wonder if there ever were others from his era (like him, veterans of the napoleonic war) who partook in this style? Kind regards, Laurentius
  18. Dear Peter, in the first place should be either a Red Eagle Order or a Crownorder on white-black ribbon with swords. Kind regards, Laurentius
  19. Dear fellow collectors, after looking through the Wikipedia-page of the new HBO shows 'Chernobyl' I ended up reading Wilhelm Röntgen's page and I found out that this German scientist had quite a number of decorations. Among these decorations were a Crownorder 2nd class, the Merit-Order of the holy Micheal and the Order of the Bavarian Crown. He is also listed as having received an Iron Cross 2nd class on the white-black ribbon (civilian). Did he get this award for actual participation on the homefront (he lived in Munich the entire war), or was this award given solely for his groundbreaking work in the area of radiology, which helped doctors treat the wounds of soldiers better? Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius
  20. My, my, I ask for a identification, somebody shows a lovely medalbar and all of a sudden the hounds of hell seem to have lost their leash😆🤣
  21. Dear Solomon, thanks for your correction, your help is always appreciated. Dear Komtur, I myself am not the owner of the picture, I asked for a German friend of mine. When I told him you would like to buy the picture I asked him for his e-mail address, which I will send to you in a private e-mail. Lovely bar btw. Kind regards, Laurentius
  22. Dear Utgardloki, We are heading to the macabre part of collection-ethics here, but I feel that a fire is less troubling than theft. This only goes for metal decorations and awards ofcourse, it would be terrible for uniforms, paintings and portraits. Depending on the size of the fire and the airflow most medals would survive. Sure, most enameled and painted orders would have lost their recognizable part, not to mention the multi-constructed orders which use Schlelack (wax) to stay together like my beloved Albrechtsorden. Medals would survive the fire, how well they'd survive ofcourse fully depends on the material and the fire. Hindenburg lost almost all of his awards when his house burned down in the early 20's, yet I think most collectors would give a kidney to own one of these scorched medals (I'd like mine medium-rare please). Theft, in my opinion is far worse, when a fire hits, regardless of it's magnitude you'll always have a part of the collection which survives, which can't be said for theft, especially with cases being solved at a historical low (thanks Obama). I shudder at the thought of a medalbar being destroyed by thiefs (or collectors) solely for the purpose of profit. Often these medalbars are the last remaining piece of someone, and with it's destruction, they too, long after their death, cease to be. They live as long as we remember them, and in a way, honour them. That's the part which makes this hobby so great for me, there are lots of guys (and some girls) doing their best, reconstructing awardrolls, identifying medal- and ribbonbars, bringing back life to this great war. Kind regards, Laurentius
  23. Dear Glenn J and 1812 Overture, thanks for your help, thanks to you we can put a name to this picture again. I do think it would be interesting to know which medals he is wearing in the sixth and eight place. 1812 Overture suggested the Regierungsjubiläumsmedaille 1902 but I don't think that's it. That medal has two big red stripes on the side of the ribbon which this medal misses. I think the ribbon is white with 2 small stripes of red perhaps? Kind regards, Laurentius
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