laurentius

Dear Peter, although the miniature-chain and the ribbonbars are lovely, I personally don't think they belong together. Why would a miniature-chain miss several decorations from imperial Germany itself, but instead feature a foreign award? Sure, some might suggest that the DA and the Centenary-medal aren't worthy, or important enough to be on a chain, but would this also go for a BMVO4x or a SEHO? Kind regards, Laurentius

Dear GGH, although awards seem plentiful on this miniature, I fear an identification shall not be possible. If the crown and swords indicate a HOHx, which I doubt, that would only gives us an HOHx, EK2, HT, and an ÖMVK, because all other decorations can't be used for identification. This combination alone would still leave dozens of possible recipients. Kind regards, Laurentius

Dear fellow collectors, whilst browsing another forum I came across A14 cores, which are modified EK1870 cores. Would any of the EK collectors be able to help me understand this? What are the charastaristics and how do you recognize it? Kind regards, Laurentius

I shall refrain from saying anything, but I would advice you to watch this short video

Regarding the St. henry, I'm fairly certain this would be an RK, and not the medal. Especially combined with the other orders.

If this person is indeed a civilian working in the government he wouldn't have received a zentenarenmedaille, which was only given to members of the standing army, the navy, and veterans of 1870/1871. Someone of noble birth, with a civilian career and a short warservice in the rank of a Oberleutnant/Hauptmann seems fitting for this ribbonbar. Kind regards, Laurentius

@Utgardloki I found the picture As I said, the true embodiment of badass, the Bruce Willis of his time. This general, whose picture was taken in 1918, is wearing an enlisted men's belt and bayonet, a helmet and an 'old-style' ribbonbar. This picture would also go great in the other thread about the Johanniter Orden. Kind regards, Laurentius

They weren't forbidden, there are some pictures of them being used after 1915. However, they noticed that officers were being picked off by French snipers who knew that one of those big coloury pieces of metal on an officer's chest was a sure sign of a commanding person, so they'd shoot him. Cut off the snake's head, that kind of logic. I remember a picture posted on this forum by @Rick Research a long time ago. It was a picture of a general (the literal embodiment of a badass) with an old-style ribbonbar, an enlisted men's belt and a bayonet. I can't seem to find the picture, but if anyone knows or remembers this post by Rick could you be so kind to post the picture? Much appreciated. Kind regards, Laurentius

First of all I would like to apologize to mister Beery for hijacking his topic. I fully agree with Sandro here, a certain arrogance, which has no place in this forum meant for learning. The fact that FAR32 even dared to doubt our English skills is most insulting. It is indeed this arrogance which is unnecessary, but nevertheless present. When several members of this forum (myself included) where discussing in another thread the Bavarian ribbonbar owned by @Nicolas7507 he claimed high and mighty that there was no such thing as a wreath for a Crown Order 3rd class. When we asked you to eloborate you told us this was told to you by a famous Austrian collector, who apparently has a lacking knowledge when it comes to German ribbonbars because Nicolas and I were quick to prove you wrong with facts, with pictures, of actual ribbonbars with proper wreaths for the Crown Order 3rd class. It was only after this moment that you were willing to concede that the only source you used might have been wrong, and that we might have been right. This is not the way in which collectors help and teach others. I have a sincere hope, that in future, we will be able to discuss and talk in a proper manner once more, about German orders and decorations. Kind regards, Laurentius

I have to agree here with Sandro, we must all behave ourselves in a proper manner, this is a gentlemen's forum after all.

Junior officer, leutnant or oberleutnant. He either quit service after 1907, or he didn't bother to update his ribbonbar. He had been serving atleast since 1897. Kind regards, Laurentius

I agree here with ixhs, this bar has a RAO4 or a KO4. This is a so called 'old-style' ribbonbar and these were worn untill 1915. Some functioned solely as ribbonbars, but others functioned both as medal- and ribbonbars, usually with hooks on the back. A lovely piece, finding something related to a non-com RAO or KO is rare. Kind regards, Laurentius

Dear fellow collectors, would anyone be able to help me with this officer? I came across this picture on the internet, his rankboards indicate 2nd lieutenant, but his awards are pointing towards a hauptmann rank. Did he perhaps have a higher rank in civilian life, or has he been demoted? Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius

Dear Dave Danner, If I remember correctly what Rick Research said one time, backed up with info from the late Eric Ludvigsen, that the RAO came before the KO, but this changed around 1900 when emperor Wilhelm II started awarding the KO before the RAO. Here is a chart of awardnumbers of the KO We can see a gradual increase from around 1885/1890 onward, when Wilhelm II became emperor. I believe the roles of the RAO and the KO switched here. When we see medalbars of junior officers who started after 1905 we often see the KO, but not a RAO. This is logical ofcourse, they didn't yet have a long career. Kind regards, Laurentius

Dear Roman, very interesting, and thank you for your excellent explanation. I do have one question, these men of IR 55, where they all wounded in the same battle or on the same day, or was this a retrospective ceremony for those who had been wounded since the beginning of the war? I do hope the loves of Braunschweig won't mind my questions Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius