laurentius

Although it might look bleak compared to the other pieces in this thread, the Saxon-style Frackspange in my collection is still my favourite piece.

Dear Utgardloki, Here is a picture of Ernst I of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha wearing a sash in the same manner as Wilhelm I.

This picture confirms my thoughts about the Belgian Order of the Crown or the Order of Leopold, which one we'll never know

I agree here with Sampo, most likely a buttonhole-miniature for some Belgian official, purchased in The Hague at the Van Wielik store. This colour is not at all correct for the Legion D'Honneur. Although the ribbons for Belgian orders are Purple, they often have a burgundy-red appearance, which is also visible here.

I could only discern the first four decorations of his ribbonbar, which you have already listed, them being EKII, HoHx, RAO4, KO3 or PDA. I am leaning toward the PDA, because the blue is a bit too dark for the KO and he might already have taken it off his ribbonbar because of the KO2x. Hope this helps. Kind regards, Laurentius

Here is another picture of the painting which I have taken this morning It's rather hard to distinguish due to the flash, but there is a small 5 painted on each of the shoulderboards. Here are two other pieces from my collection, not related to the topic here, but I thought I'd be nice to show them. I don't know the name of the Oberleutnant in the first painting. The second piece is a drawing of Johann Albrecht of Mecklenburg, who served as regent of Braunschweig between 1908 and 1913. The piece is from that time, all original except for the new glass. Kind regards, Laurentius

Would it be possible to find out why he got the RG5? Is there a list of Prussian recipients? I know there is a list of recipients who received it during the Franco-Prussian war. Kind regards and thanks in advance, Laurentius

Dear Arb, How peculiar, I bought it from the family (who also supplied the diary excerpt and the documents) and they said it was painted around 1830, they could have been mistaken ofcourse. I always thought it weird because without the fringes it would be just a Sec.Lt. for which he seems too old in the picture. If the painting was made after 1841 that would mean he would atleast be 53 which is much more believable in my opinion. In the painting he is wearing 4 decorations (EKII, Medal for 1813 I presume (?), PDA, RG5). Since he was still alive in 1863 I would assume he also received the Erinnerungs-Kriegsdenkmünze für 1813-1815? Ofcourse this being a commemorative medal it doesn't show up in the ranklists. I'd like to thank all of you who have contributed to this thread. Kind regards, Laurentius

I think you might be right here. The document I have for the veterans still alive in 1863 describes this problem and how it was handled. It also describes a rather lovely lunch the veterans received at the royal palace. The timeframe for the award is post 1817 but before 1830 when the painting was made. This would fit neatly into your frame from 1817 to 1824. Kind regards, Laurentius

Dear Arho, the excerpt, only three pages, covers a few days in 1812, where he recounts his promotion, and a few of his men. It is more than a collection of notes. He did get his EK early on, in the first year of awarding (autumn 1813), was there already then a shortage, or was he given the EKII for bravery from a retrospective point of view? Kind regards, and thanks in advance, Laurentius

Dear Arb, thank you, that's the man I was looking for, I bought a painting last year of him and I wanted to see if there was any more information on him. With the painting also came an excerpt of his diary and some information on himself. I also received a document containing all the recipients of the EK 1813 still alive in 1863 at the 50th anniversary of the decoration. Here is the painting, as you can see he is still a Sec.Lt. here, in his diary he describes being given this rank in 1812. Kind regards, Laurentius

Dear fellow collectors, I am looking for information on Major a.D. Leber who earned an EK2 1813 at the battle of Groß Görschen, I'm looking for confirmation whether he also received the Russian cross of St.George. His name was Johann Christian Leber, he was born in 1788, and died in 1873 Thanks in advance and kind regards, Laurentius

Kriegsdekoration is not a term used when talking about the Albrechtsorden. First class decorations (regardless whether they are with or without swords) come with a wreath, which in some countries (like Austria) might be seen as a kriegsdekoration. The swords are in this case the kriegsdekoration, which means he had an Albrechtsorden 1. class (SA3aX)

Looks a bit like the Bavarian lifesaving medal, although the back is different in this mini. Do you perhaps have better pictures, or the words written on the medal? I have a hunch that this might be a kriegerverein medal of some sort. Kind regards, Laurentius

The decoration in the fourth place looks to me like the Royal Hawaiian Order of the Crown, which was awarded to other officers of the German navy if I'm not mistaken. Picture below.