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There is a really informative piece on this pinterest page.. https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/14566398782740399/ I also found reference to the scheme starting in 1850 with volounteers sought and patterns being distributed at various times including campaigns run during Ww1 & Ww2. The badges i found looking like this are being described as WW2. As Terry says, the back may hold the answer particularly if there is a makers mark. Cheers tony 🍻

💪💪🍻🍻 I know it still doesn’t answer your original question but i hope you might enjoy seeing these other examples i have... you never know, you may even recognise the names! SGT Welsh Guards & In Silver. SGT Honourable Artillery Company Cheers tony 🍻

I dont have an officers tunic but i have this Warrant Officers one, Welsh guards bandsman. This is from the 90’s I’d guess... tony 🍻

Me too.. 🍻

Yes, i agree, i see what appears to be a line coming in from the left centre. 🍻

It’s already got me inspired to try! 😊 🍻

You’re welcome my friend 🍻🍻

Hello Gents, This one below is actually just a little snapshot... This one below is a CDV a little bigget than a postcard in size, i’ve added a picture of the reverse as it has a newspaper cutting glued to it... tony 🍻

Yes looks very nice Greg. Good looking ribbon too 👍👍 tony 🍻

Hello Stefan, i’ve no expertise in it, but that is a lovely looking piece in my opinion, looks to be in great condition. The only things i know to look for in ribbons is for the loops at the end of the rows, which yours has... and i check it with ultraviolet too. So, again, just in my amateur opinion, i like the look of it, the hallmark looks good and the ribbon does too, That probably doesn’t add much to inform your opinion but.. I did find this which i think relates to the hallmark stamps on yours. I look forward to hearing to hearing the experts opinions 👍 cheers tony 🍻

My gut feeling is also Russian or maybe French? I don’t think British or Prussian but I can’t justify my feeling. There are so many generic modern items its hard to find good period examples (labelled) using google and I didn’t see a match on any illustrations i found. The first one is unusual and the second one is odd too , to my British eye anyway 😊... though i guess even reproductions are likely based on something. Its gonna be tough without a proper nose in the flesh 🤷‍♂️ May i ask are you considering buying them or just curious? They are good looking things but a gamble if priced as ‘real’. Hopefully my ignorance will trigger a more knowledgeable gent to help us out 🤞 tony. 🍻

Hi Gents, i’m hoping for an opinion on this 👇 it is being treated as a copy, understandably, as even i know now that these should have an ‘issue’ number stamped on them and this doesn’t. However I understand that it was bought a while back so has at least some age to it and the ribbon looks like it has too. The pin backing not so much. This isn’t my usual thing... so i’m hoping to find out how old the ribbon is? and whether the cross could be a legitimately issued replacement or a spare to wear in case of loss 🤷‍♂️ If it is an insulting poor fake, I apologise in advance!! thanks Gents, tony 🍻

Fantastic!!

Thanks unmo300, i’m keen to pin these makers down if i can and this one wasn’t settled for me. Can you expand on anything for me please? It would be great to have a reference to place on here if possible, 👍 I’m translating (from Hungarian) as Győrffy és Wolf - Győrffy & Wolf (names Fémipari - Metallurgical Részvénytársaság - (joint stock) company Is this roughly it? ‘Győrffy & Wolf Metalwork Company’ Did you already have knowledge of Győrffy & Wolf and the GW mark? A lot of questions i know, my apologies and thanks in advance! tony 🍻 Ps i wonder if i am related?? 😊

👍👍. Hi Bill, re the back… i agree it seems a date seems unlikely, I think if it was a date then J2 isn’t really enough as it could be any one of jan, jun, July. & 1925 is a later date than you’d expect for an AH item. Also yes it clearly a ‘solid’ quality piece. Sadly I can’t find anything relevant to help. Last thought… If it wasn’t on a sub or boat maybe it was on a building? The curve perhaps for fitting to a pillar/column. 🤷‍♂️ best wishes tony 🍻

Taken from www.jstor.org ’The 17th Light Dragoons had been serving in India from 1808 , where it remained for fourteen years, embarking for home on 9th January, 1823. During its stay in India the regiment had been converted into Lancers.1 Immediately on arriving in England the change from Light Dragoons to Lancers was carried out’ 1823 was spent re-equipping the new lancers with officers first as they purchased their own uniforms. The design on the back of the button dates to ”circa 1925” so in this case I’d say 1823. I think the button you’ve posted was an early officers private commission based on 👇a regular design for them at the time. There’s no record of it I can find. A nice button indeed… cheers tony 🍻

Hi Bill, it may be a bit more interesting than expected... i agree at first glance it seems a straightforward 17th Lancers but I cannot find one like this. The 17th Lancers and, post 1922 I believe, The 17/21 Lancers button was like your example but not the same. 👇 You will notice ☝️ the skull and crossbones meet, this was the case with every example I’ve seen while looking so far today... Not yours It needs a little more investigation 😊 Cheers tony 🍻

Lovely thing Bill, the details on the front are so crisp. Just checking- is it in one piece? Have you tried to decipher the marking on the back? Could be a date or something more helpful.., tony 🍻

Lovely work Greg!!

After further review- i no longer think the four lugs examples i found are original pre 1958 style. The details in the fingers vary slightly on each design. Of my examples are some possibly fake or from the short period they used Anodised Aluminium (58-61ish) before their amalgamation, and others that are genuine later Royal Highlanders badges. I thought that i had found another Seaforth Highlanders badge in my box, but... it had four lugs which seemed too much of a coincidence given the subject So that is what led me look further & soon i worked out mine and the others are in fact part of the later Royal Highlanders badge. 👇 —-///-/ Finding 1 out of 2 isn't bad 😊 but shame I didn’t find the four lug badge of folklore fame! In my opinion anyone that said they found one (the chances are...) didn’t, though of course it’s possible. The original officer version, though almost identical to OR’s, was visibly in two pieces. That leaves the newer post 1961 badges like mine, that have 4 lugs as the most likely true identity... 🤷‍♂️ who knows for sure though eh... not me! But Its been fun looking, Ive identified my badges and learnt a bit which is the point. 😊. Cheers tony. 🍻

Cheers Graf 🍻 —-//— Well, here is the badge of mine i was thinking of... Two piece construction. it’s 50mm top to bottom. its 35mm side to side. The pipers badge is based on 👇 which is the ‘Guidich An Righ’ clan badge for ‘Mckenzies of Seaforth’. I don’t know if mine is the correct badge as it has a pin back not lugs as i would normally expect. However the design is the same variation of the ‘Guidich An Righ’ as that shown on the chart, ☝️, with the stags head lower and overlapping the border... Cheers tony 🍻

I can’t help but i like them 👍👍

I had to have another look for badges with 4 lugs... my photo album 👇 then i found this 👇 So there is a specific pipers badge. ——-//— Also i found a few examples of 4 lug badges, some old, some new & some cast and surely some not original but it would seem to me there is the likelihood of genuine 4 lug badges. A few examples... Cheers tony PS the weird thing is I think i might have one of the 1900-58 badges 🤷‍♂️ I’ll have a rummage this week...

Thanks for the information Vincent 🍻 & Yes! 👇 Cheers tony

Hi Gents, i only spotted these fellas just as the auction was ending, got them for £17 + £3 postage. I didn’t have time to look into them but i hope for £20 it was worth a punt. 5 miniatures with ribbon... Numbers 3 & 4 caught my eye the most. I’ll post some pics when i get them but in the meantime... any information or observations are most welcome and appreciated Gents. cheers tony 🍻