Komtur

Showed here before, but fitting in this interesting thread: this one is impressive big, but no orders, no enamel, nothing spectacular... All the orders we will find on the neck The winner was: Generalleutnant Roderich Felix August von Sch?ler (1862-1935) 02.08.14-30.04.16 Generalintendant des Feldheeres bei der OHL 01.05.16-03.10.16 Kommandeur der 20.Infanteriedivision 03.10.16-12.12.16 stv. preu?ischer Kriegsminister 12.12.16-11.05.17 Kommandeur der 11.Infanteriedivision 11.05.17-11.11.18 Kom. General des VIII.Armeekorps 07.08.19-30.09.20 Kommandeur Gruppenkommando 2 der Reichswehr

... and this last one Gutkind must be wearing, because he is a Major der Landwehr and Kommerzienrat. On the picture he is still Hauptmann, but he signs as Major on the back. Kind Regards, Komtur.

As far as I know, it is the officers LDA 1st class 1879-1886. No picture in the Nimmergut bible

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Max Gutkind, Kommerzienrat, Major der Landwehr

Thanks Paul and Glenn, it was worth trying with Fontane...

But shouldn?t someone got the 3rd class of the red cross medal before the 2nd, as it is written in the statutes? And shouldn?t at least that 3rd class be mentioned in the Marinerangliste 1918 or in the Stammliste des Marine-Sanit?ts-Offizierskorps 1919 posted by Glenn? I?m afraid the bar is not of Bobrik...

That is the answer of my first question in post 5. But unfortunately this medal is missing on the bar . Then it is not Bobriks bar???

Thanks Glenn! But what does "PK (br)" in that veeeeery interesting list of 1919 mean? Greetings. Komtur.

I got this nice bar with the name of Dr. Conrad Bobrik. My questions are: When he was in 1905/06 on S.M.S. "Thetis" and in Tanga, so he was fighting in Deutsch-Ostafrika (see post 2/3). Shouldn?t be on his bar the Kolonial-Denkm?nze 1912? In the Marine-Rangliste 1918 (post 4) there is missing a red cross medal and on the bar is a 2nd class red cross medal. How can this be? With regards, Komtur.

Rangliste (Dienstaltersliste) der Kaiserlichen Deutschen Marine 1918:

Stammliste der Kaiser Wilhelms-Akademie f?r das milit?r?rztliche Bildungswesen 1910:

Stammliste des Marine-Sanit?ts-Offizierskorps 1906:

The bar:

Thanks Daniel and Glenn, another spectacular identification But unfortunately now this picture doesn?t fit as illustration for the above showed Komtur from 1887 to 1890 Best regards, Komtur.

Hi Daniel, unfortunately I didn?n buy it. It was on Ebay and I made only a copy for my archive because of the above showed Komtur cross. But I?d like to know... Gr?sse!

Who could this be? Regards, Komtur.

OEK 1105, Schwark 1.a.8.b F?rstlich Lippischer Hausorden Ehrenkreuz 2. Klasse (neue Form) F?rstent?mer Lippe-Detmold und Schaumburg-Lippe 10.12.1887-26.2.1890 Gewicht: Kreuz 39,1 g Ring 2,2 g Gr??e: Kreuz 68,0 x 58,6 x 12,0 mm Ring 19,0 x 13,5 mm Hersteller: Carl B?sch, Hannover with regards, Komtur.

Sorry again, but in my humble opinion also the medaillon is the same. I think, the "differences" to be seen depend on the light. Regards, Komtur.

Second possibility: An original star without swords changed in old times by a jeweller to a star with X on rings with "Saxon" X. And today (after the 22.4.2005) someone said "Oooops" and replaced them with "Prussian" X

As noticed by others before, I?m also afraid they are the same. The differences are in my opinion only light reflections.

Hi Rick, do you know his name? I?m afraid I could be related to him . My mothers family is from Mittweida, a small town in deep deep Saxony, with a high proportion of incest Greetings, Komtur.

Hi Stefan, thanks for your information, I?m afraid you?re right. So we are again on point zero I?m searching for every useful information on the ?lberg-cross. So please send pictures of crosses, miniatures, bars, recepients or awarding documents. I?m also interested in literature sources. with regards, Komtur.

Hi forumites, I want to bring this back to the top, because I?m searching for every useful information on the ?lberg-cross. So please send pictures of crosses, miniatures, bars, recepients or awarding documents. I?m also interested in literature sources. with regards, Komtur.

To the Duchy Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha belongs two separate territories. The Coburg part in the south came in 1919 to Bavaria, the northern Gotha to Thuringia. That may be the clue. The pic is of Brauneisreuther/Coburg, as it is written on the back. @RR Thanks a lot for your search With regards, Komtur.