Komtur

Who could this be? Regards, Komtur.

OEK 1105, Schwark 1.a.8.b F?rstlich Lippischer Hausorden Ehrenkreuz 2. Klasse (neue Form) F?rstent?mer Lippe-Detmold und Schaumburg-Lippe 10.12.1887-26.2.1890 Gewicht: Kreuz 39,1 g Ring 2,2 g Gr??e: Kreuz 68,0 x 58,6 x 12,0 mm Ring 19,0 x 13,5 mm Hersteller: Carl B?sch, Hannover with regards, Komtur.

Sorry again, but in my humble opinion also the medaillon is the same. I think, the "differences" to be seen depend on the light. Regards, Komtur.

Second possibility: An original star without swords changed in old times by a jeweller to a star with X on rings with "Saxon" X. And today (after the 22.4.2005) someone said "Oooops" and replaced them with "Prussian" X

As noticed by others before, I?m also afraid they are the same. The differences are in my opinion only light reflections.

Hi Rick, do you know his name? I?m afraid I could be related to him . My mothers family is from Mittweida, a small town in deep deep Saxony, with a high proportion of incest Greetings, Komtur.

Hi Stefan, thanks for your information, I?m afraid you?re right. So we are again on point zero I?m searching for every useful information on the ?lberg-cross. So please send pictures of crosses, miniatures, bars, recepients or awarding documents. I?m also interested in literature sources. with regards, Komtur.

Hi forumites, I want to bring this back to the top, because I?m searching for every useful information on the ?lberg-cross. So please send pictures of crosses, miniatures, bars, recepients or awarding documents. I?m also interested in literature sources. with regards, Komtur.

To the Duchy Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha belongs two separate territories. The Coburg part in the south came in 1919 to Bavaria, the northern Gotha to Thuringia. That may be the clue. The pic is of Brauneisreuther/Coburg, as it is written on the back. @RR Thanks a lot for your search With regards, Komtur.

some details btw this pic measures about 8x6 cm - what a quality

Ernst Brauneisreuther (?), Coburg His shoulder board looks very similar, but without the Aesculapian staff.

Handbuch f?r das Deutsche Reich 1918: additional Verdienstkreuz f?r Kriegshilfe Regards, Komtur.

Prussian State and Court 1911: additional to the above mentioned awards the Russian Stanislaus 2nd class

Hallo Kapitular, a warm welcome from me too with regards, Komtur. You still know this pic of Wilhelm von der Lippe, but this is a good chance to add it here:

Thanks Wild Card for completing the ensemble To make it more complete I?ll show the awarding letter: with best regards, Komtur.

...it came with the document:

To solve the last:

Sorry, no. But to be true, I don?t know if they use the same box for different decorations With regards, Komtur.

A new game, size about 5 x 7 cm:

Exactly that was my doubt too, I only forgot to count the EK2 for Prussia

Thanks to all of you, gentleman. I really hope we are right, but there are some points I want to discuss: 1.) Shame on me, I stopped screening the W?rttemberg Staatshandbuch 1914, when I found Wanner, so I have to complete the work next time to be shure. 2.) Shouldn?t it be a civilian "Frackspange" then this kind of a bar, normally worn by officers? 3.) Is there any chance to find Wanner in a list of some of the other decorations? 4.) Are there any other sources, then the W?rttemberg Staatshandbuch and the Wer ist?s to search for Wanner? 5.) No Prussian decoration in 1914 and then 5 in the next 4 years - isn?t that to much? With regards, Komtur.

As Rick recommended I searched the W?rttemberg Hof- und Staatshandbuch 1914: this Theodor Wanner is not bad? He got the Belgian, the Oldenburg and the W?rttemberg one and Montenegro and Sweden are neck orders!

....came along with a document

Another sandwich

Hallo Forumites, I was asked by another collector to show this bar here in the GMIC. He is a serious collector and author of order articles and books. The bar was shown twice without success in the German forum SDA. By any reason he believes, it could be a W?rttemberg Oberstabsarzt. Btw. the only not German decoration is a Belgium Order of the Crown knight cross. With regards, Komtur.