HeikoGrusdat

......................and one for the breast!!!! If he had offered all together maybe he would have made even more money (but still enough!!!)

and the show goes on................ ............................ today on ebay.................same seller..............new bar..............the younger brother of post N?1..............same unit................same constellation of medals, maybe one or two years earlier...........100% same soldier!!!!!

ok Rick, then I will search again for the guys WITH 1897 medal and the three medals we think he had......let`s see how many there will be.

Bernd.... do you have a list for Badener that got the DSWA-medal and papa Friedrich as well.... ?

I have two of these papa Friedrich medals for DSWA on big bars..... great medal you are right, very heavy and big!!! A bit off topic but if you want to see these bars please let me know... Heiko

Paul, for example.... I have a 1928 navy rank list that lists all colonial awards, china medal, dswa medal as well as the colonial medal 1912 this one is great but many of the interesting officers were 1928 out of service so it is a very limited help.... Heiko

oh yes it is!!!!!!! you can see it by all the very great bars you are showing us!!! Thank you!!!

right Rick, thats why I love the post war rank lists with all ww1 awards, colonial awards, wound badges ....in it.

140$ is ok, normally in germany 2 place medal bars with Nassau on it are going for 90-120 Euro....

wild card has a huge treasure box with unseen highlights.....

Back again..... I don`t have a 1914 navy rank list, only 1916... there is NO ONE with the combination RAOmedal + KOmedal + AE........ I have only ONE man with the two order medals but no AE : Feuerwerks-Oberleutnant Sewald - entered 31.5.99 - could match with China... just a thought....: could it be possible that the first ribbons ARE the orders RAO4 and KO4 and the second orange/white ribbon is a AE???? is this possible? too many questions....

this was my thinking too.... general honour decoration and the two order medals.... I will check the navy list tonight in bed

and of course the reverse...

look what I have found.... in my eyes a great navy ribbon bar, very interesting with the two orange-white ribbons and a maker from Kiel!!! Please let me know your opinions on the two RAO/AE ribbons and the crown order ribbon.... what are the possibilities we have here? greetings Heiko

why am I not surprised to see this one in Claudio`s collection now...

this medal is the Ehrenmedaille des Bundes s?chsischer Frontsoldaten (BSF) which was given in gold, silver and bronze..... it is from the same organization as medal (cross) N?6 from the right in post N?1 greetings Heiko

the bar was made after he got the vet award from Kyffh?userbund and the Tyrol medal in the late twenties.... mounting is 1. all combattants awards 2. all vet and other medals (but for combattant service too!!! ) and 3. the long service medal from his own state bavaria (just service - no real combattant medal) ......... so in my eyes everything is 100% correct!!! greetings Heiko

sorry Stogie but I have never seen a document for a baden medal for china and I have never seen a medal bar with a baden medal on it that was definately given for china service....

.....and the next one of these great shining veterans organizations bars right now on ebay.... again the price is climbing

All other medals are for combattant war action - the service award is on the last place, why not... everything ok for me, looks good

Hi Micha, as I told you in the SDA-Forum before in my eyes this is a fake and there was no official box for this award..... so I think it was not the real deal all the best Heiko

today I found another falcon in my collection....

Hi Jason, in my eyes this can be nearly everything...... the colours black-red-gold are the german colours today and the colours of little former states like Reuss or Waldeck but they are used very often by student organizations, wanderer clubs, shooting clubs, ........... endless list. Without having more info about the other things that came with it or the place it is from there can be no 100% statement about it... sorry Heiko

now that`s interesting that one Rick says "nice navy bar" and one Rick says "impossible nonsens".... come back to the red eagle... can`t it be a pre war CIVIL award??? In my eyes the bar itself is 100% original and not faked, would there be more sense with other awards and orders on the ribbons???

OK guys....exactly THE discussion I wanted to start for that bar... My thoughts were the same in all points but there are possibilities... I have seen several bars from colonial soldiers who not served in China or DSWA but in some other german colonies wearing a KO4X or RAO4X but NO colonial medal... I have seen bars from soldiers of the colonies with no colonial medal (1912) on it but the document for it came with the bar.... and remember that there was no official colonial medal for colonial service during ww1... if the RAO4 was a civil award before ww1 could he have started the war as a Unteroffizier/Sergeant/Feldwebel rank promoted to Offiziersstellvertreter/Leutnant rank later during the war? Meiningen medal as "normal" soldier, AO and KO later as officer...??? What if the Meiningen cross has been replaced with the medal??? Many possiblilities... keep your thoughts coming.... Heiko