Paul R

Added: Luftwaffe Disciplinary Units

Uniform and Insignia All men wore the basic Luftwaffe uniforms and accessories. Insignia for Cadre Members: Enlisted men of the permanent cadre wore the waffenfarbe of the unit the Disciplinary Unit was attached to. Example, a cadre member of a Disciplinary Unit attached to a Flak unit would wear the Flak(red) waffenfarbe. Officers and non permanent cadre members retained the waffenfarbe of their previous unit. Insignia for Detained Members: The uniforms of the detainees would bear no waffenfarbe. a. Collar tabs would be made from a blue grey cloth adorned with aluminum wings, according to their rank*. b. Shoulder straps were unpiped and had a machine embroidered Roman numeral of the Luftgau where the unit was based, in bright red embroidery. Angolia states that there exists a specimen of an unpiped strap with the roman numeral 9-"IX" embroidered in pink. c. On 17Jun38, a portapee for enlisted was approved. It was of standard shape and design, but was made entirely in the blue gray color. *as of 06Aug1943, all detained members were ordered stripped of rank upon entry. Below is a set of insignia for a detainee from Luftgau XI (11).

Luftwaffe Disciplinary Units Soldiers within the Luftwaffe who proved to be a detrimental to the morale and cohesiveness of their unit were sent on a temporary assignment to Disciplinary Units. Their assignment time would be anywhere from three to six months. During this time, they were place on probation. If the soldier was not fit to be returned to a regular Luftwaffe unit, he was turned over to the authorities for disposition. There were three types of Disciplinary units for the Luftwaffe. 1. Special Detachment: This unit was established on 07Aug1936, following the regulations of manual D73, "Regulations for the Special Detachments". This unit was disbanded by the onset of hostilities. 2. Probation Camp: This unit was established by order BLB40 number 146 on 30Jan40. The purpose of this unit was to provide three months of "severe military special training". This unit was eventually disbanded, although no date is known(yet) 3. Special Companies: This final unit was brought on line to replace the Probation Camp. The Special Companies at special purpose 1, 2, and 3 (Sonderkompainien z.b.V 1, 2, and 3) were established by order LV43 Number 1667 on 06Aug43. All members were demoted to the rank of private and were assigned dangerous work on the front line without weapons for 3-6 months.

That is amazing for such a high ranking medal.

Thanks for that. Does not look like there were ever any gulls in the tabs. Does the piping on the shoulder strap seem to match that of the collar tab?

Very nice. Can you do a close up of the tab?

124 Air medals?!?!? What is the story on that man?

Thanks for the kind words Pete and Bill. Here is set of tabs for a Major in the "Corps of Engineering Officers". Although the color appears a bit dark, the waffenfarbe is indeed pink

Thanks Snoopy! This really made my day!

You should post it!!

Wow. I would definitely say a LW Foreign legion. What nation, I just dont know. This is one keeper of a photo.

This is something I have not seen before. The cap looks like that of the LW Fire Dept. Can you make a better(bigger) photo of the cockade? Paul

Now the tabs in the center are the ones referenced in the topic. The OberLt is Flak and the Lt on the bottom is a confirmed LW Engineer Officer. While the set is darker than the rose pink tab below, when compared with the Arty/Flak tab above, one can see that it is definitely pink! :jumping:

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Playing around with my tabs, I was able to pay special attention to this set. I initially thought of this set as an unissued set of faded Flak tabs. Well, after looking at the set for a while, not only was the color not red, it glowed the same yellowish color under the black light as my Engineer Officials and Engineer Officer tab. Talk about a new discovery for free!!

The tally thus far(will be organized by LBA code): Stuttgard(?) LBA(S) 35 1 Tuchrock (has an additional stamp for LBA(S) 38) LBA(S) 38 2 Tuchrocks (with one coming from a depot in Aibling. Where was the 2.I.Fl.Reg 49 in 1938?) Berlin(?) LBA 38 1 Tuchrock (From Villhelm Holl(?) Berlin 9 38. Where was the III Fl. I Rgt 13. 13 Battln. in late 1938?) (Unknown) LBA 3 42 1 EM Fliegerbluse, 2nd pattern (converted to Officer). Now... LBA(S)= Stuttgard LBA= Berlin LBA 3= ? Please add yours! Any help or additions are welcome! Regards Paul

1. Fliegerbluse, 2nd Pattern 2. Medical Major 3. LBA 3 42 4. No depot markings 5. No unit designated 6. None 7. Unnamed

1. Tuchrock 2. Sonderfuhrer-O (feldwebel) 3. L.B.A.(S) 38 4. Fl. Gr. Aibling 1938 5. No unit designated 6. None 7. Unnamed

1. Tuchrock 2. Flak Uffz 3. L.B.A.(S) 38 and L.B.A. (S) 35 4. No Depot Mark 5. 2.I.Fl.Reg 49(on name tag) 6. None 7. "Kanonier Maier Helmut" For some reason, there are two LBA Stamps on this tunic. Does this indicate a reissue? Strange with two pre war dates? Now I was informed that the (S) represented the city of Stuttgart.

I will go first. 1. Tuchrock 2. Medical EM 3. L.B.A. 38 4. Villhelm Holl(?) Berlin 9 38 5. III Fl. I Rgt 13. 13 Battln. 6. None 7. Unnamed Must be a reissue piece, or perhaps a Sani attached to this Company?

Hello, I would like to start a running database of issued LW tunic stampings. Bear in mind that this data will only be available on depot/issued pieces. Privately tailored pieces will not have these stamps. I am looking for the following data as is it stamped on liners of the Continental Blue/Gray tunics: 1. Type of tunic(Fleigerbluse, Tuchrock, or Waffenrock) 2. Piping(Flight, Flak, Admin, or etc) 3. L.B.A. Code and number 4. Depot markings 5. Unit designators 6. Other stamps or marks not covered above(excluding the sizing grid) 7. Named? Maybe we can find some patterns of distribution. Who knows what other data may emerge!!

I apologize for the extreme delay in completing the final two chapters in the above project. I plan on completing the final two chapters during the Holidays. Please stay tuned!

Micha, I had no clue that they were that rare.

Thanks for the explanation, Ed. It makes things a lot clearer. So then a Sapoy is a Sargent?

What is the US equivalent to a Naib Subadar (= Jemadar)? A Sargent or a Corporal? Also, I thought that the British Govt was paying the Pensions to these soldier's?