Ed_Haynes

A really REALLY nice Gorkha group here, Paul! Is the full group named (WM and ISM too)? Let me see what else I can find for you.

Does the naming and number on that certificate look as "doctored" in person as it does in the scan? Don't tell me we are now getting faked "We Won" certificates?!

The Medal "We Won" has been discussed in http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10216&hl=we+won -- I don't have the power the merge the threads, sorry.

Come on, Paul. Think again. "Poo" is too kind for this . . . thing.

Done. Nice one, Glenn! Thanks.

And one more update: A 40.1/M 23.1 -- Type 1.1 (?Cross? obverse, silver painted) -- Low = 10/High = 76 Type 1.2 (?Cross? obverse, silver enameled, green leaves) -- Low = 13/High = ?? A 40.2/M 23.1 -- Type 1.3 (?Cross? obverse, silver enameled) -- Low = 249/High = 381 A 40.3/M 23.1 -- Type 2.1 (red obverse, silver numbered) -- Low = 1027/High = 1232 A 40.4/M 23.1 -- Type 2.2 (red obverse, silver unnumbered, escapee?)

Done, Glenn. Thanks!

Serial number and typology update: M 21.1 -- Type 1.1.1 (Screwback, Uigur, numbered ?No.?) -- Low = 2/High = 985 A 38.1/M 21.1 -- Type 1.1.2 (Screwback, Uigur, SN without prefix, seperately soldered ring) -- Low = 1569/High = 11953 M 21.1 -- Type 1.1.3 (Screwback, Uigur, SN with "No" prefix above the SN) -- Low = 10663/High = 10668 M 21.1 -- Type 1.1.3 (Screwback, Uigur, SN without prefix, ring part of the medal) -- Low = 12001/High = 16525 A 38.2/M 21.2 -- Type 1.2.1 (Screwback, Cyrillic, impressed number) -- Low = 16785/High = 21645 M 21.2 -- Type 1.2.2 (Screwback, Cyrillic, engraved number) -- Low = ??/High = ?? A 38.3/M 21.2 -- Type 2.1 (Pinback, ribbon) -- Low = 23854/High = 36295 A 38.4/M 21.2 -- Type 2.2.1 (Pinback, enameled ribbon, silver) -- Low = 737/High = 4892 A 38.5 -- Type 2.2.2 (Pinback,pentagonal enameled ribbon, bronze, unnumbered) A 38.6/M 21.2 -- Type 2.2.3 (Pinback, enameled ribbon, silvered bronze) -- Low = ???/High = 23750 A 38.6/M 21.2 -- Type 2.2.4 (Pinback, enameled ribbon, silvered bronze, unnumbered, unawarded escapee?)

Typology and serial number range update: A 29/M 11.1 -- Type 1.1 (Screwback; flat reverse; 5 rivets) -- Low = 23/High = 840 A 29/M 11.1 -- Type 1.2 (Screwback; circular indentation at center on reverse; 2 rivets) -- Low = 1038/ High = 5873 A 30.1/M 11.2 -- Type 2.1 (Pinback, 4 rivets, silver) -- Low = 6036/High = 8722 A 30.2 -- Type 2.2 (pinback, bronze) -- Low = 7120/High = 9066 Type 2.3 (pinback bronze, not numbered, unawarded escapee?)

For the lonely crowd on this forum, the latest update: A 37.1/M 20 -- Type 1.1 (screwback, number prefaced by ?No?) -- Low = 112/High = 1984 A 37.1/M 20 -- Type 1.2 (screwback) -- Low = 2146/High = 9263 M 20 -- Type 2.1 (pinback, silver, rotating-tool-engraved) -- Low = 10020/High = 16999 Type 2.2 (pinback, silvered bronze, enameled ribbon, unnumbered ? said to have been awarded for border actions against China?) A 37.3/M 20 -- Type 2.3 (pinback, silver-plated bronze, enameled ribbon) -- Low = 18071/High = 23354 A 37.4/M 20 -- Type 2.4 (pinback, silver plated bronze, enameled ribbon, unnumbered, unawarded escapee?)

In the (unlikely) event anyone still reads these threads, here is a typology and serial number update on this whole series: A 21/M 5.1 -- THE ORDER OF MILITARY VALOR 1st award (small star, 3 maker?s marks, no s/n) 2nd award (Arabic number ?2? at bottom) 3rd award (Arabic number ?3? at bottom) 4th award (Arabic number ?4? at bottom) ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOUR A 21.2/M 5.2 -- 1st award -- Type 1 (large star, МОНДВОР, s/n No) -- Low = 188/High = 613 Type 2 (large star, МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР, s/n No) -- Low = 318/High = ?? A 21.3 -- 2nd award -- (large star, Mongolian number 2) -- Low = ??/High = ?? 3rd award -- (large star, Mongolian number 3, not seen?) -- Low = ??/High = ?? 4th award -- (large star, Mongolian number 4, not seen?) -- Low = ??/High = ?? ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOUR A 22.1?/M 6.1 -- 1st award Type 1.1 (МОНДВОР mintmark; 3 rivets) -- Low = 110/High = ??? Type 1.2 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 3 rivets) -- Low= 44/High=212 Type 1.3.1 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 4 rivets; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom) -- Low = 306/High = 2401 Type 1.3.2 (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; 4 rivets; SN directly below screwpost) -- Low = 1007/High = 2581 A 22.2/M 6.2 -- 2nd award -- Low = 53/High = 56 A 22.3/M 6.3 -- 3rd award -- Low = ??/High = ?? A 22.4/M 6.4 -- 4th award (МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom; 4 rivets) -- Low = 74/High = 150 ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOUR A 23.1?/M 7.1.1 -- 1st award Type 1.1 (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost) -- Low = 50/High = 2794 Type 1.2 (as above, but with Cyrillic ?B? mintmark) -- Low = 1871/High = 1901 A 24.1/M 7.2 -- Type 2.1 (Pinback 3 rivets; SN at 12 o'clock) -- Low = 3160/High = 4449 A 24.1/M 7.2 -- Type 2.2 (Pinback 2 rivets; SN at 5 o'clock) -- Low = 4685/High = 5380 A 24.2 -- Type 3.1 (pinback, bronze) -- Low = 5512/High = 5607 Type 3.2 (pinback, bronze, unnumbered, escapee?) A 23.2/M 7.1.2 -- 2nd award -- (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ? perhaps 40 awarded?) -- Low = 12/High = 398 A 23.3/M 71.3 -- 3rd award -- (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ? perhaps 10-15 awarded?) -- Low = 5/High = 200 A 23.4/M 7.1.4 -- 4th award -- (Screwback; 3 rivets; SN just below screwpost ? perhaps 4-5 awarded?) -- Low = 3/High = 86

Just to update the typology and serial number ranges observed (in case anyone is interested?): A 27/M 10.1 -- Type 1 (Screwback, ~ 4000 awarded) -- Low = 83/High = 3913; 1945-70 A 28.1/M 10.2 -- Type 2.1 (Pinback, silver) -- Low = 4029/High = 7020; 1970-2004 A 28.2 -- Type 2.2 (pinback bronze) -- Low = 9050/High = 9060; 2004? Type 2.3 (pinback bronze, not numbered, unawarded escapee?)

OK, just to update the "full" typology, treating all sub-varieties and "mint burps" as real: A 31/M 12.1 -- Type 1 (Screwback; МОНДВОР mintmark; long oval design with two red banners, ~300 awarded) -- Low = 701/High = 792; 1936-39 A 32.1/M 12.2 -- Type 2.1 (Screwback; upward-curved МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom) -- Low = 9/High = 2831; 1940-41 A 32.2/M 12.2 -- Type 2.2 (Screwback; downward-curved МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN directly below screwpost) -- Low = 1151/High = 2878; 1941-?? Type 2.3 (Screwback; no mintmark; Uighur; SN at 7 o?clock) -- Low = 1562/High = ????; 1937 Type 2.4 (Screwback; hand-engraved МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР mintmark; Uighur; SN at 6 o'clock near bottom) -- Low = 1710/High = 1776 A 32.2/M 12.3 -- Type 3.1 (Screwback; Cyrillic; slightly concave reverse; SN at 7 o'clock) -- Low = 2/High = 6952; 19??-?? A 32.2/M 12.3 -- Type 3.2 (Screwback; Cyrillic; flat reverse; SN directly below screwpost) -- Low = 5094/High = 9941; 19??-?? A 32.2/M 12.3 -- Type 3.3 (Screwback; Cyrillic; flat reverse; SN at 6 o'clock) -- Low = 10007/High = 15000; 19??-70 A 33.3/M 12.4 -- Type 4.1 (Pinback, silver) -- Low = 15015/High = 30426; 1970-2003 A 33.4 -- Type 4.2 (pinback, bronze) -- Low = 31650/High = 39785; 2003? A 33.4 -- Type 4.3 (pinback, bronze, no serial number, unawarded escapee?)

Animal herding has been, until the 1970s, the major sector of the economy, so any sensible State taxes those sectors of the economy that exist. Glad someone finds basic economics so entertaining.

Maybe for those whose focus is on uniforms, this is OK. For those of us who focus on medals and their adjuncts it is a matter, to paraphrase Gertrude Stein, of 'A fake is a fake is a fake'. Just more poison in the water twenty years from now.

Sure, but isn't the key phrase here 'put together' which is to say 'invent'. There are less delicate phrases.

WOW! If all airlines had seat pocket magazines like this, I would look forward to flying!!

I think badly faked is a good characterization. For sources, see http://www.omsa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=626

I have always had the impression that the new "bichig badges" are a relic of the experiments from the 1980s at script reform, the efforts to reintroduce the indigenous Mongol script to replace the foreign Cyrillic. Since this rendered almost the entire population into overnight illiterates, this has been slowed down (almost stopped). Obviously, the use of the post 1992 arms can give an additional clue to dating.

Named?? Who?? The badge? Any "order holes"? Nice!

Yes, and I am wondering if I could work out a swap including my solo T1V2 (with "Paul Papers"). See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=8627&st=16

I'd agree totally with you, OoV. Had I the cash available, it'd be gone now!

Lovely and very impressive group. Thanks for showing it.

The posthumous award of the Medal of Honor to Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham of Scio, N.Y. has been announced. He died when he jumped on a grenade in Iraq and saved the lives of two comrades. See: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/10/...in2173203.shtml http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-11-10-voa53.cfm http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...1,3528945.story http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/10/medal.hon...tion=cnn_latest http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?sectio...p;article=41423

No, Dave, that is the Angrezi shabd [the "English word"] rendered into Urdu.