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And this also came with an attractively red hard-bound certificate. (Too large for the scanner, so I have had to do some "cropping".)

And Munschke's ausweis for this medal.

And certificate to Generalmajor Ewald Munschke (1901-1981), 18 July 1956.

DDR -- Hans-Beimler-Medaille Interesting that it is on the full suspension, as worn by military personnel. The original "900" marked variety.

Are we reasonably certain that the unnumbered 1960 mystery award from his award book is, as Rick put it so well, the "Military (can't bring myself to translate something so obviously incorrect as "Combat") Red Banner Order"? I am working on trying to get some degree of "research" done (thgrough the esteemed Dr. Battushig -- who I am trying to get to join the forum., but he has "Mongolian bandwidth") And, oh yes, Grerd: Yes.

The problem is, you never know the reason for award until you reaserch it, and doing Lenins is far less that 100% (as I have learned).

Hold off for one with document, good man. Stifle that addiction.

This was not my intent.

I shall make no other comments, but his "reading list" is IMMENSELY "troubled". I shall say no more.

Rick is, of course, right. Just now, documented awards are not THAT much more. When/if research opens, you'll be glad of the document. That may be required to "crack" civilian awards.

Yes, in early numbered awards. Who knows why, but they did.

I also posted the Buglarian medal (and document) for Spanish Civil War veterans over at: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1245&st=4

Yeah, it does look like a "something", doesn't it?

It is my understanding that the "normal" ribbon wrap pattern was used for the military (and civilians?) while the "backwards" wrap was used for the VoPo and other paramilitary bodies. I do not know if this is true. Also interesting is the appearance of the "small-square-ribbon" medals (e.g., Hans Beimler) on "normal" pentagonal suspenders for wear by military sorts. Shall be showing one of these "soon". But Marcus' extra red stripe defies explanation.

"Oh, sir, would you turn this way, sir, please, . . . " I'd want to look more closely before I dismissed the WWI pair as a possibility. Remember the odd spectrum shifts that we see with ealy (pre-1950s) black and white film emulsions. See, for example, the ribbons on Khudadad Khan's medals . . .

It is a real shame the Brits chose (for reasons of speed of issue not economy) not to name their WWII medals. Not only does this limit the collecting and research interest, but opens the way for enterprising bandits to "marry" boxes, certificates, and medals, or even just to fake paperwork outright to go with invented groups. How much proof is enough? Short of provenance -- direct from the veteran or his family -- what can we trust? How can we move beyond "attributed" (aand what is that word worth)?

This looks like a European invention (of which there were many).

Not in my custody (alas), but I gained permission from the current custodian to share this beauty here. Jemadar Rattan Singh, 3rd Skinner's Horse

Subadar Rur Singh, 32nd Sikh Pioneers 1- Indian Distinguished Service Medal, Edward VII - Subdr Rur Singh 32d Sikh Pioneers 2- India General Service Medal, 1854 - HAZARA 1891, SIKKIM 1888 - 2396 Sepoy Rur Singh 32d Bl Infy 3- India Medal 1895 - WAZIRISTAN 1901-2, RELIEF OF CHITRAL 1895 - 2396 Havdr Rur Singh 32nd Bl Infy 4- Tibet Medal - GYANTSE - Subdr Rur Singh 32nd Sikh Pioneers 5- India General Service Medal, 1908 - George V, 1st variety - ABOR 1911 - Subadar Rur Singh 32nd Sikh Pioneers

Does the Khedive of Egypt count? 1646 Sowar Jamal Khan, 1st Bombay Lancers 1- Queen's Sudan Medal, 1896-98 - Sowar Jamal Khan, 1st Bombay Lancers Gaylor: "Their third spell of [operational] service abroad was a brief stay at Suakin on the Red Sea in 1896 when, as the 1st Bombay Lancers -- in consequence of the issue of the lance -- they formed part of a mixed cavalry brigade sent out from India." Service in Brigadier-General Egerton's force at Suakin, 30 March 1896 to 23 September 1896. 2- China War Medal 1900 - Sowar Jamal Khan, 1st Bombay Lancers They were not regimentally present in China but small detachments were sent to reinforce other units. 3- Africa General Service Medal, 1902-1956, Edward VII issue - SOMALILAND 1902-04 - Sowar Jamal Khan, 1st Bombay Lancers They were not regimentally present in Somaliland but small detachments were sent to reinforce other units. 4- Egypt: Khedive's Sudan Medal, 1896-1908 - Sowar Jamal Khan, 1st Bombay Lancers

78 Jemadar Abdur Rahman Khan, Jeypore Imperial Service Transport Corps 1- Delhi Durbar 1903, silver - unnamed Shown in the roll for the Delhi Durbar 1903 medal (p. 90) as "Abdul Rahman Khan, Duffadar - Jaipur Imperial Service Transport Corps". The silver medal was awarded some 2567 times. 2- Delhi Durbar 1911, silver - unnamed Shown in the ISF roll for the Delhi Durbar 1911 medal (p. 161) as "78 Jemadar Abdur Rahman Khan", Jaipur Imperial Service Transport Corps. The silver medal was awarded some 30,000 times. 3- India Medal, 1895-1902, Victoria - RELIEF OF CHITRAL 1895, PUNJAB FRONTIER 1897-98, SAMANA 1897, TIRAH 1897-98 - 78 Jamdr. Abdur Rahman Khan. Jeypore I.S.T. Corps This was the unit's first imperial service.

Post here groups you have not that cost you three sovereigns, but that include the images of three (or more) British rulers.

BARELY WWII, but still an interesting group. 3162 Group Captain H. S. Monga, Indian Air Force Mounting a bit ragged, but a long and impressive (and heavy) group. IAF List, July 1956: Name- Monga, Harbans Singh Rank - Flight Lt Number - 3162 (General Duties Branch) Date of Birth - 15-June-1923 Date of Commission - 25-June-1945 Date of Subst Rank of Flt Lt - 25-June-1950 Remarks - Permanent Commission 1- The General Service Medal, 1947 - JAMMU AND KASHMIR 1947-48 - 3162 FG. OFF. H. S. MONGA, I. A. F. 2- Samar Seva Star, 1965 - 3162 GP. CAPT. H. S. MONGA, I. A. F. 3- Poorvi Star, 1971 - missing, ribbon only 4- Paschimi Star, 1971 - missing, ribbon only 5- Raksha Medal, 1965 - 3162 GP. CAPT. H. S. MONGA, I. A. F. 6- Sangram Medal, 1971 - missing, ribbon only 7- Sainya Seva Medal - Himalaya - 3162 GP. CAPT. H. S. MONGA, I. A. F. 8- Videsh Seva Medal - Nepal - 3162 WG. CDR. H. S. MANGA, I. A. F. 9- The Indian Independence Medal, 1947 - 3162 FG. OFFR. H. S. MONGA, R.I.A.F. 10- 25th Independence Anniversary - missing, ribbon only 11- Twenty Years Long Service Medal - 3162 GP. CAPT. H. S. MONGA, I. A. F. 12- Nine Years Long Service Medal - 3162 GP. CAPT. H. S. MONGA, I. A. F. 13- The War Medal, 1939-45 - IND/3162 FLT/LT. H. S. MONGA, R. I. A. F.

C-9436 Subadar-Major Meneha Singh, Army Service Corps (Motorised Transport) There is MUCH variability in the spelling of his name! WWII service, then out? enrolled 9 January 1959 (re-enrolled?) Naib Subadar 9 January 1959 (same day as enrollment) Subadar 1 March 1964 Acting Subadar-Major 1 January 1968 1- Samar Seva Star, 1965 - JC-6436 SUB MECHANGA SINGH ASC(MT) 2- Raksha Medal, 1965 - JC9436_MEHNA SINGH ASC(MT) 3- Sangram Medal, 1971 - unnamed 4- 25th Independence Anniversary Medal, 1972 - ZJC9436 SUB. MAJ. MEHENGA SINGH ASC(MT) 5- The Indian Independence Medal, 1947 - MTN-940217 HAV MAMNGA SINGH, ASC(MT) 6- Twenty Years Long Service Medal - JC-9436 SUB-MAJ MENEHA SINGH, ASC(MT) 7- Nine Years Long Service Medal - ribbon only 8- 1939-45 Star - MTN/940217 C.Q.M. HAV. MEHNGA SINGH, RIASC (MT) 9- Burma Star - MTN-940217 C.Q.M. HAV. MEHNGA SINGH, RIASC (MT) 10- The War Medal, 1939-45 - MTN 940217 C.Q.M. HAV.MEHNGA SINGH RIASC(MT) 11- The India Service Medal, 1939-45 - unnamed

95579 Rifleman Ujir Mall, 2/9th Gurkha Rifles 1- The Indian Independence Medal, 1947 - 96579 RFN. UJIR MALL, 9 G.R. 2- 1939-45 Star - 95579 RFN. UJIR MALL, 9 G.R. 3- Pacific Star - 95779 RFN. UJIRMALL, 9 G. R. 4- The War Medal, 1939-45 - 95579 RFN. UJIRMALL, 9 G.R. Shown as missing in the POW rolls (but with regt. # 95379). Obviously a POW. Regiment reported to have gone only about 10% INA. A Gorkha who fought in the Malaya and Singapore Campaign of 1941-42 and ended up a POW after fall of Singapore in February 1942.