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And the Medal "25 Years of the MPR": 13,958 30/07/1946 14,184 17/08/1946 15,955 15/09/1961

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Medal "We Won" (A41): 3,443 06/07/1946 5,698 16/07/1947 9,678 09/07/1946 21,406 20/09/1946 26,931 28/12/1990

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Honorary Medal of Labor (A38): 9,393 13/11/1956 9,672 27/09/1956 10,328 30/08/1956 10,660 17/10/1951 11,032 06/11/1956 16,235 26/06/1964 16,573 15/07/1965 17,040 07/07/1966 23,159 04/08/1976 24,082 14/07/1960

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Hero of Labor "Goly Soyombo" Medal (A3): 1 1956 52 28/11/1962 250 1981 424 03/04/1986

Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Badge of Honorary Chekist (D03a/D03b): 163 17/07/1944 393 10/09/1973

Looks like a true "fun guy" and that snappy state security leather coat just reinforces the image. You say this photo fell out, loose? Sad, for it would be nice to see the document matches with.

Wonder if someone was selling it as a "Hero Watch"??

I associate the wrapped thread approach to ribbon bars with the Middle East, mainly with Syria. This is the first time I've seen this ribbon bar treatment for Mongolia. Nice.

Interesting! Great question.

Interesting. All yours??

Recently, to relieve a bout of boredom on the forum, several of us have been consulting off-list in an effort to start a general guide to rarity of Mongolian awards. To a degree this links up with Bob's efforts at tracing pricing (up up up UP). Using familiar ("Red Bible") rarity codes, we have come up with the appended list. It is not complete, it is not rocket science, it is MUCH open to comment and discussion, and maybe it will entice some discussion. RARITY_KEY.pdf RARITY_KEY.pdf

Agreed. Let us work in tandem. Question: Isn't what you show as "Medal for the Victory over Japan 3,443 06/07/1946" actually "Medal We Won 3,443 06/07/1946"?

Thanks! And the list makes clear the general chaos that we all know the Polar Star to be!! Until we gain indirect access to The Records, this can give us a guide.

To add a few data points: Sukhbaatar Order 1412 - 2/12/1980 Red Banner of Labor 4452 - 28/1/1975 Honorary Medal of Combat 5514 - 20/8/1951 Medal "We Won" 5698 - 16/7/1947 More to come (soon).

The groups I like are those where a first Red Banner is retained as screwback, but screwed on in line, under a row of ribbon-mounted awards, so it only LOOKS suspended from a ribbon. Someplace, we have some photos of that wearing style. The best of both worlds!

Thanks for updating these, Bob! Can all of us (survivors) please check to see if we have anything to add. For ease of use, I may duplicate these in the award-specific threads, if that is OK, Bob.

Well said, Jim! And may we also remember that issues of value should be mainly historical and only to a much lesser degree commercial. Being broken is never a "plus" for any of us, but numismatically perfect and unawarded is to be empty of history and interest. Yet the market, rightly or wrongly -- our numismatic roots showing? -- still places a premium on condition.

Exactly, Jim! I have always believed that the "reconverted" were contemporary modifications done to service the collector market, destroying history in the process and producing a borderline-faked badge. This would make a legitimate unconverted screwback a pretty rare bird?

Yes, this was pulled by eBay, apparently in response to the assertion that it was Crown property. Are we seeing the makings of a Canadian "Stolen Valor" movement here?

Nope, these practices are dodgy anywhere. And the sad thing is, he doesn't need to play dirty. All that happens is that his reputation suffers. Sigh indeed.

There are recommendations for a few (FEW!) MiDs in the National Archives (Public Record Office). But, to my experience, not worth even trying unless you are there, checking other things, with some time on your hands.

Some of this information was published in an article in JOMSA some time back, though largly based on stolen research (oh, sorry, that's another thread). Never being very friendly with the Soviets, he had none of these (Ba'ath gained foreign friends by executing communists, not getting medals from them). Let me check my notes . . . .

While Igor's prices may well be high for retail, they probably aren't bad guides for insurance value, which you'd want to be at or beyond the upper range of sane retail pricing.

Since the conversion was required by change in regulations, I'd not shed too many tears over the conversion. In some ways, more authentic than one changed back only for the collector market?

No medals (shown), but interesting uniform shot.