Daniel Murphy

Agreed. It was made by Assmann & Sohne. That is their trademark. NICE!!! Dan Murphy

Laurence, You have great collection of badges. I especially like the way you gave the history of the units. That kind of puts meat on the bones of an otherwise ordinary object. I am not quite sure how we got from badges to canteens , but what the heck. I love that canteen. The leather work looks to have been made by a master and is of the highest quality. With the snaps and leather reinforcing at the neck and the high quality of the piece, I thought it was an officers version until I saw the year stamp. Still, it could be for officers to purchase through the quartermaster. I would say it was intented for mounted service (hung on the saddle) since the strap looks rather short. Dan Murphy

That is a East German Haenel-Schmeisser magazine. These started being manufactired in the 30's and were used until 1945, but very few guns had these. It is the stongest and best magazine made for the luger. Instead of being made from two pieces of sheet steel and crimpe together on the sides like a regular Luger magazine, this was extruded or made from a seamless steel tube drawn through a die. The best way to identify one of these, even in a gun, is the pin through the base. That base should be aluminum but it looks like it has been chemically darkened. Here is one I found for sale. It has the same marking as yours. If yours had been a WW2 piece it would be worth about $200. Dan Murphy

Now that I remember having seen some '57 bars, you are correct. This was just the owners way of dressing up his bar a little. Or.... ... ... ... ...perhaps there was a more devious side to it i.e. padding his awards. While displaying his actual awards, the unknowing might believe he did receive an EK1. Dan Murphy

And the most telling pic. Notice how the edges are rounded and the beading is worn down on the sides of the beaded edge.

Fake part 2.

Gordon, Yup, sure is. My vote is for an N. For the information value, here is an 1813 EK2 I bought many years ago. I now believe it is a fake similar to the above, though not as well done. Notice how uneven the edge of the frame is where it has been ground away unevenly.

I thought this would make for some interesting conversation. It is a '57 pattern bar with all WW1 service. Don't ask me why they had it made, I have no idea why an earlier one wouldn't do. It has a very nice enameled EK mini, can I assume this represents an EK1? Dan Murphy

Inside the bell you can see the same construction technique used in making early copperware. Made from sheet metal and the ends are dovetailed together and soldered. Dan Murphy

Maker mark.

Already banged about once. There is a rather jagged tear, perhaps from a shell fragment. Since it is in such good shape, these may have been kept in service in the later Prussian units from Hannover. Although damaged it can still be played.

I picked this up at a reenactment flea market from my best friend (I had no idea he had it) and saved it from the fate of being banged around by a reenactor. Upon researching it, I found that the maker not only made these for the Hannoverian Army, but made other brass instruments as well. When the owner died in 1853, the company ceased to exist. Not much from this period has the survived the century and a half since and this is a favorite of mine. Dan Murphy

Quite a number of Pour le Merites were awarded to Russian officers during the Napoleonic Wars and yes, Russian jewelers did make replacement pieces for those officers during that period. They mainly used crowned eagles which they thought was proper, but these are supposed to be Brandenburg eagles, not Prussian ones. We are not talking WW1 here, this is the very early 19th century. Russia was an ally of Germany during the time of 1790's to 1815. Look it up or find a book on the war. I will help you out, here is the list of PLMs awarded in May (and May only) of 1813. There are a couple Russian names there. With so many Russians receiving it, there was a good demand for replacements to the easily damaged early crosses. Naturally some Russian Jewelers helped fill that demand with items such as you see in my post above. Siegfried Georg Gebhard von Quitzow ? 13 May 1813 Dmitri Tichonovich Michailovch Parenssov ? 13 May 1813 Prince Peter Dmitriovich Gortshakov I ? 13 May 1813 Renatus Rodion Fedorovich Gerngross ? 13 May 1813 Gustaf Gustafovich Staden ? 13 May 1813 Alexander Ivanovich Markov III ? 13 May 1813 Ivan Hirsch ? 13 May 1813 Igor Fedorovich Noldken ? 13 May 1813 Semen Ivanovich Dobrovolski ? 13 May 1813 Peter Ivanovich Medviedev ? 13 May 1813 von? Hoeck ? 13 May 1813 Vranizki ? 13 May 1813 Robert Igorovich Renni ? 13 May 1813 Nikolai Ivanovich Seliavin ? 13 May 1813 Pavel Ivanovich Brosin ? 13 May 1813 Nikolai Vassilieovich Sasonov ? 13 May 1813 Alexander Andreieovich Stsherbinin ? 13 May 1813 Igor Michailovich Trubtsheninov ? 13 May 1813 Nikolai Jevgienovich Postelnikov ? 13 May 1813 Vladimir Afanasseovich Obrutshev ? 13 May 1813 Alexei Igorovich Dedeniev ? 13 May 1813 Maxim Konstantinovich Krishanovich ? 13 May 1813 Peter Iavanovch Medviedev ? 17 May 1813 Ivan Ivanovich Schl?? 17 May 1813 Ivan? Oserski ? 17 May 1813 von Aderkas ? 17 May 1813 Alexander Iljit Iljinski ? 17 May 1813 Prince Drulski-Sakolinski ? 17 May 813 Siegismund Ferdinandovich Postels ? 17 May 1813 Vassili? Klemens? Behrends ? 17 May 1813 Franz Danilovich Olshevski ? 17 May 1813 Karl Petrovich Gutjahr ? 17 May 1813 Anton Jevstafieovich Engelhart ? 17 May 1813 Alexander Wilhelm von Neidhardt II ? 18 May 1813 Georg Wilhelm von Hofmann ? 18 May 1813 Andrei Ivanovich Liebstein ? 18 May 1813 Stepan Jemelianovich Ivanov ? 18 May 1813 Bogdan Jakovleovich von Brieskorn ? 18 May 1813 Freiherr Peter Johann von L?ausen ? 18 May 1813 Karle Ivanovich Raben ? 18 May 1813 Hans Otto Wachten ? 18 May 1813 Fedor Fedorovich von Kurssel ? 18 May 1813 Lev Astafieovich Astaiev ? 18 May 1813 Leopold von Mach II ? 18 May 1813 Afanassi Jefimovich Stshelkan ? 18 May 1813 Christof Josef Friedrich von Michaelis ? 27 May 1813 Karl Friedrich von Tiele ? 27 May 1813 Karl Friedrich Franz Dallmer ? 27 May 1813 Heinrich Gottlieb Konrad Heuduck ? 27 May 1813 August Johann Ludig Elias Friedrich Karl von Hobe ? 27 May 1813 Johann David Ludwig von Yorck ? 27 May 1813 Dan Murphy

Reverse showing all four "woodpeckers" and some poorly repaired damage. Dan Murphy

Anything that looks like the onbe above must be fake right? Exactly like that, fake. This one, not fake. Probably Russian made c. 1814. Notice the less expensive enamel underneath the more expensive blue enamel. It belongs to an esteemed member of this forum who requests to be anonymous. This photo was lying out and was gotten at by my dog, this is the best I can do. (ah, the old dog ate your homework story eh.) Dan Murphy

Not to sure about it. The wide spread of the arms looks like a Latvian fake. Sorry, I couldn't resist. It looks like there are a couple EKs missing. "Liberated" in 1945? It is a remarkably simple and beautiful, yet moving monument. Would you be willing to share the names of your relatives? Dan Murphy

You have two nice and rather unique medal bars. I have never seen the safety pin and snap arrangement before, but it looks like it is period. Interesting mounting method on the Baden bar. Where there is a will there is a way. Dan Murphy

I wholeheartedly agree. They performed their duty as best they could and when they came home many were vilified and murdered as traitors. 35,000 of them never came home. After the Easter Rising in 1916, an Irish soldier was much more likely to recieve punishment. The Irish units only made up 2% of the army but accounted for 8% of all death sentences. 239 in all. Subsequently it has been found that a majority of all troops executed were suffering from shell shock, which was not fully understood at the time. The British government then downplayed the Irish soldiers role in the war due to what was happening in Ireland postwar. Dan Murphy

Kevin, I believe it to be an original cross, but the pin and hinge appear to have been replaced at some time. AS such I do not believe it is worth the price asked. I do not believe the 1813 EK2 he has for sale is real. It looks like like shaved 1914. Usual poor fuzzy photos of that one. Dan Murphy 1813 EK2

It is a shame you can't ID him. That look in his eyes makes me think he was a real tough opponent. Good uniform shot. I had the chance to buy one just like it that belonged to Duke Albrecht of Wurttemburg and had to pass on it as it was rather expensive. It was $3500 when normal feldgrau uniforms were $500. I wish now I had just sold some things and gotten it. Dan Murphy

Great ribbon bars, especially that second one by Godet. Made even better by the fact that you can narrow it down to being owned by 1 of 2 men. I hope you can find out which one. Dan Murphy

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He was a General der Kavallerie so I doubt it. Dan Murphy

It looks like one of the hamburg fakes. However they were copied from a real PLM. I know the man who owns it. Dan Murphy