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It has always been a source of great weath for some dealers to eliminate swords for a higher retail value.

That's more like it

Also keep in mind that all those nice orders and medals represented a real business like today. Contracts were made and awarded to suppliers. Due to the fact that MVO's were sheldom awarded during the 1914-1918 timeframe it is highly unlikely that all manufactures got awarded with the no sword deal. Specific items were bought from specificly identified suppliers. Cost was certainly one of the major drivers. Just like in today's business.

Nice stuff and nice presentation !!!

Christophe, be paitent and surprised. I will only say that it will be one of the best ever published. Andreas

Have you tried to possibly scan the reverse of the bar? A full front picture would also give clues.

Believe it or not, after looking through all my computer files I have to admit, that I lost the picture of the White Falcon Knight 1st class with swords. We will therefore have only the reverse as seen before: and the side as stupid as this is:

...for those that are interested in PlM's made by Godet - click here: Godet PlMs

I do think that Bernd D is correct about this...but, good news, in the not to far future a book about the MVO will be published and will give answers to all those questions. I have seen the work and can only say that it will be one of those books one must have. Amazing research, amazing pictures, amazing, amazing amazing...and best, researched and written all in Bavaria by a true Bavarian. Lets be patient then

That is not correct. Godet's toolings were never changed. Godet used the same toolings during the end of WWI and made silver gilt pieces as well.

Wild Card made the key point. I have seen those single sided pieces and can only say that they were always gifts, special order items for certain occasions. The Krause PlM from Weitze.net came from a rather small auction house that handled all orders from Oberst Krause. This piece was made by Godet and given by his staff as a gift to him. Just like today those gifts were made by the usuals (the Wagner's, Friedlaender's, Godet's and Rothe's). The feature piece has an inscription on the reverse. von Hauff 1915? Could you confirm this? I do not see anybody with that name or similar name in my lists of PlM recipients. The markmanship may be good enough for a funeral piece, but I am afraid that it is not.

No worry, this was indeed a tricky one. The more important those folks were the crazier the medal bar.

And we have a winner: Again after the 1914 rank list. Good job guys and welcome the newst addition to my collection.

OK, here is a hint from the 1914 rank list:

OK, this is scary, , you are right away on the right track.

Yet another riddle:

First two are Rothe fakes, the one below is something else. A reverse picture would help.

I just received another theory: It could be a 1-3 year volunteer with NCO rank during the colonial war in Africa. The combination of the bars WATERBERG and KARAS-BERGE seems to fit for 1. or 2. Bataillon of the 2. Feldregiments or for 1., 2. and7. Batterie of the Feldartillerieabteilung. The Red Eagle Order could have been awarded at a much later date in his civilian life for yet another life saved. I guess somebody will have to catalogue all prussian orders lists in order to make this identification happen. I was also given the following man as just an example: I am sure they may be a few more then him.

The Bar comes from the ANS sale and still has the old inventory/heritage sticker attached, which states that it was purchased druing the late 20th. I do not think that it is uncommon that a Feldwebelleutnant would have been promoted into the real officers ranks. Also, what would a Faehnrich would have gotten during Africa campaigns?

I do actually believe that one could get only life savings mdal only. The purpose of those house orders on life saving ribbon was to honor second or even third reoccurances? I am sure it is written in the rules and regulations. Need to look it up I guess....

Does anybody know who could be the original bearer of the following medal bar?

It is peacetime. The sequence looks right to me anyway.

I believe even a letter to Santa claus will not help

actually: "Wild Card"'s example is a minature of knight cross with swords. I assmue a 2nd class - "little guy"

Could any enamel in this type rose color be ever more delicate?! Supernice !!!!!