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There was an article in the German medal collectors magazine listing less the 20 per class (gold & silver). Names were listed, too. Yet, since the printing of the article I have been able to turn up another one not listed within that published statistic. I do still believe that we will not find more then 20 each or less. Very rare indeed, due to the late issuing of this medal.

I believe there are both quite plausibel. The Baden one has just bad lighting which in my opinion makes the cross look brown instead of black. There were many fathers and sons fighting during the same war timeframe as well....and regulations are regulations. Especially when it comes to medal bars.

...and since we already saw the case for its brother with swords: [attachmentid=46009]

How about this nice knight 2nd class of theOrder of Brabant: [attachmentid=46008]

I always liked this one: [attachmentid=46007]

The 1866 cross ribbon is definetly after 1945 and younger.

Dan, I am sorry, but I do not know. Besides, I really only have interest in those three official manufacturers: Wagner, Friedl?nder & Godet. Sorry Andreas

It is not made by one of the three official suppliers to the Prussian orders chancellery.

Soon to be posted on my web page Non - Christian - Red Eagle Order

The piece actually arrived this Saturday.

Mark, I have several books on Turkish orers and medals at home. Will check over the weekend. I am sure it is Turkish. They had various badges like that one. I will be back. Andreas

no, just a miniature cabbage on the regular cross. Just almost 50 years appart. Maybe they forgot the real meaning of the oak leaf by then?!

Isn't this an unusual attachement? [attachmentid=43229]

The piece turned up. Thanks for all the support.

On May 24, 2006, the following order disappeared after it had been sold for 9,500 ? at auction in London at Morton & Eden in association with Sotheby's: 661 Germany, Prussia, Order of the Red Eagle, Civil Division, Non-Christian issue (post 1861), Third Class breast badge, in silver, with gold and enamel centre, 51 mm, extremely fine and extremely rare Estimate - 2000-3000 ? [attachmentid=41486] I will have very detailed pictures in a few days showing every detail there is. The accurate weight is also availiable. The order can be easily identified. I have only known of 2 remaining examples. Any help you may be able to provide will be appreciated.

...well, I have all of them in my library. A pretty safe source for pictures of real imperial German and other imperial orders and decorations. Better then the big Nimmergut in many cases. Andreas

Dear Paul, I do not think it is a gray area. The copyrights were transfered and are held by those that currently reprint the original. I would advise to get in contact with them in order to legaly move your project ahead. I do not think we want chinese circumstances here in the US? Andreas

Jeff, I totaly agree with this statement. The Ranklist are fine on CD. They would be better as searchable data base, but regular books on CD - not for me. Andreas

No guessing required here, I believe. It is the Caspari group. A very good friend of mine has it now in his collection.

...well, since you asked...here a 4th class with swords: [attachmentid=38276] [attachmentid=38275]

The picture above did actually come from a book printed in 1939: "Wir jagten den Feind" (we hunted the enemy), written by Hans Brzenk. He lists several fighter aces with his biographical data in the back of the book. This is the part for Ernst Kepmfer: Geb. December 16, 1894 in Mainz. He went as volunteer to the infantry to war in 1914 right after his Abitur and after finishing with middle school in Wittenberg, the cadets corps Wahlstadt and Realgymnasium in Berlin-Lichterfelde. He took part in those battles in Flandern as being part of the I.R. 57, also with the Landwehr-Ersatz-Regiment 1 and later with the I.R. 382 in battles at Metz (Priester- and Alliywald) being a Platoon-(Zug-) and later Brigade(Kompanie) leader, finally as Leader of a mine-thrower-brigade (Abteilung). He was promoted to be officer in 1915, and reported to the airforce late 1916. After 7 weeks of school he was send to the Flieger-Erstazabteilung Breslau and Grossenhain being an Observer during the summer of 1916 at Armee-flugpark 1 Fliegerabteilung 9. He then took part in battles over the Somme, in Lorraine and during the battle in Champagne and in Verdun mostly as long range observer. At Verdun he was shot down and was wounded severely late autumn of 1917: Skull and jaw was broken. He recovered during the winter of 1917 in Fea Altenburg and reported back in spring of 1918 to his old commodore who had been promoted to Gruppenf?hrer of Flieger 21 in the meantime. He was then Fliegerverbindungsoffizier and later Adjutant and joined in the advancement battles towards Armentiers, the break through battle in the west and all retreats until the end of the war. He later fought with several Freikorps in the home country. Medals: Iron Cross 1st and 2nd class, House Order of Hohenzollern, Observers Badge, and others. He studied political economics after the war and joined the "Deutsche Presse" (a newspaper) as volunteer. Being the editor later on he worked with the College Organization "German Art" on the magazine "Das junge Deutschland" and became editor and general manager of the newspaper "Ringen des Deutschtum". Branded as a "v?lkisch" editor he did not find a reasonable position and changed jobs to become a book dealer after the depression (Inflation). He also worked as editor of a labor camp paper but is now director of one of the leading publishing houses. The mentioning of his freicorps activity lead me to believe that the unknown badge must be a Freikorps badge.

It does look like the ugly Hindenburg Cross was attached to an extention made to the bar in 1934. Not uncommon.

A very nice star indeed !

...and here after a long wait the man himself: [attachmentid=37623]

I agree with Tim. I have encountered this numerous times. Markings of a known order maker/distributer on a piece made by somebody else. It absolutely logical that a Bavarian manufacturer would not make Prussian decorations. The tooling would be way to expensive to justify making them for a few non Bavarian orders. He would contact his collegue and order one piece. Shurley everybody had a least one PlM for display purposes.