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Ah yes, buckets of beer and talking about medals for hours on end in the hippest place of UB city

Sukhbaatar square, hooray, lovely Ed

Not much intelligent about that design, i'd say

I do agree with the fact that over-categorization does not help forward our knowledge about this order, but as mentionned in the Soviet award section, having knowledge about these production pockets of sub-sub-sub types, does give us a better defense against future fakes. Unfortunately these fakes will arrive, and with the technology at hand they will probably be good, se we need all the knowledge we have, not necessarily for type collecting but as a safeguard. IMHO anyway Jan

A very nice first type "best shooter" badge, congratulations. They are hard to find in such good condition, usually the enamel is missing from the star at the top. Jan

Mea culpa Ed, you know I only look at the metal never at the khaki

Hi Ed Unlikely as it may seem, have a look at these

You'll soon be entitled to one of those yourself, for "having raised your herd to 10000 pieces" Nice to see them all together Jan

Thanks, I will definitely be looking for this one

Yes, thread very carefully from here on, before you know it you'll be over your ears into Polar Star, Red Banners and Sukhbaatars. Do you know if the Japanese also have a commemorative badge for this battle? I might want to buy it for the Mongolian connection Jan

1939 would be a good guess, this is the medal combination you can see him wearing during a visit to the Khalkhin Gol front

IMHO the small size of the picture, the stamp clearly visible on the pic and the traditinnal Mongolian clothing would make this one a good one.

The rest of the booklet looks fine, but how to remove the pic

On ebay right now: Does this look like someone who got a Sukhbaatar order in 1959. NO WAY I do not believe for a minute that someone who got a SB in 1959 would have a picture in his order booklet where he is not wearing a tie or traditionnal Mongolian attire. This perfectly valuable booklet has just been dowgraded by somebody who is actually hoping of making more money of it this way, sad sad sad

Obviously

It's not the flag that counts, it's the soyombo. From 1945 on, there is a red star on top of the soyombo to signify the victory over Japan. Hetnce the type 1 badge should be a pre 1945 one Jan

During my recent research in the army archives, I found indications that this is indeed an official doc, it is referred to as the "artistic diploma"

Hmm, considering the relative low numbers of "good stuff" awarded, and the fact that these turn up in your posts, logically leads me to conclude there is no more good stuff to be had for the rest of us Keep 'em coming Ed

My preeeciouuus Don't be sad Glenn, number 1 is still to be had Congratulations Ed, veeeeeeerry nice

That is actually the second awarding, former president Ochirbat got one about a year ago.

Friendship medals have been fairly often awarded in the last few years, almost always to foreign UN or NGO workers. Here's what I've accumulated about a year ago after a search on the internet: Ottawa, (October 21, 2004) ? Maureen O?Neil, President of Canada?s International Development Research Centre (IDRC), today received on behalf of IDRC, the prestigious Friendship Medal from the President of Mongolia, Natsagiin Bagabandi. 7/3/2005 Valuing efforts and contributions towards implementing various humanity projects and programmes, the President of Mongolia N.Bagabandi released an order to award Mr. Llewellyn Peter Juby, ADRA Mongolia country director with "Friendship" medal. 7/3/2005 The President of Mongolia N.Bagabandi released an order to award Dr.Brigitte Winklehner, Professor of Salzburg University of Austria with "Friendship" medal, valuing her contributions towards extending cooperation between Mongolia-Australia education sectors and higher educational institutions. 2003.08.29 AWARD IS GIVEN: The President of Mongolia N.Bagabandi released an order to award the member of the Parliament D.Bazarsad with "Red Flag Order of Labor Merit" valuing his contribution toward border security of Mongolia. Also former Ambassador Extraordinary Plenipotentiary of Indian Republic to Mongolia Mr. Karma Topden was awarded with "Friendship" medal for his valuable contribution to develop bilateral cooperation and relationship of Mongolia and India. 2003.08.26 "FRIENDSHIP" MEDAL IS AWARDED: The President of Mongolia released an order to award Mr. Hartmut Jungius, Director of East Europe and Central Asian program of the WWF with "Friendship" medal valuing his contribution toward developing Mongolia-WWF cooperation and protecting nature and environment of Mongolia. 11/8/2003 The President of Mongolia N.Bagabandi released an order to award Mr. Ham Gil Son, rector of Han So University of Korean Republic with "Friendship" medal, valuing his contribution to the development of bilateral cooperation and relations in health and education sectors. September 1998 Uganda-born UNV gender specialist Christine Musisi received one of the highest honours bestowed upon a foreigner by the Mongolian Government: the Friendship (Nairamdal) Medal. September 2001 -- Mongolian President Natsagyn Bagabandi has awarded former UN Volunteer Alexander Menamkat the prestigious Friendship Medal, the highest award given to foreigners. July 16 2005? Under the decree of the Mongolian President, member of the Director Council of the US ''Mongolian Society'' and Mongolist Alicia Campy has been awarded with the ''Friendship'' Medal of Mongolia. Ulaanbaatar, June 25. 2005? Under the Mongolian President's order, the Defense Attache at the US Embassy in Mongolia, Colonel Thomas Wilhelm has been awarded with the Friendship Medal of Mongolia. July 18 2005? Under the decree of the President of Mongolia, the Acting President of Asia Foundation M. Fuller has been awarded with the ''Friendship'' medal. Mr. Filler made more contribution to strengthen mutual understanding and trust between Mongolian-American people. 1996: The Foundation for the Preservation and Protection of the Przewalski Horse 2002-10-10 00:00:00 Ms. Linda Demers, UNFPA`s Representative in Mongolia since 1998 is leaving. On this sad occasion the Government of Mongolia, and the Ministries with which UNFPA is working, have shown their deep gratitude for the work of Ms. Demers.President N.Bagabandi awarded Ms. Demers with the ?Friendship? medal for her contribution in improving RH status of the population of Mongolia. Minister of Social Welfare and Labour, Mr. Shi. Batbayar, awarded Ms. Demers the medal of ?Top Notch Specialist? for her work in population and development.. Minister for Health, Prof. P. Nyamdavaa, awarded Ms. Demers as ?Outstanding Health Worker?. Deputy Minister for Science, Technology, Education & Culture awarded Ms. Demers with the highest ministerial medal for her efforts with improving the Reproductive Health Education in the formal and non-formal education system. Ms Demers had previously been given the Best Statistician Award by the National Statistical Office, and has received several other medals and honorary certificates from aimag governors, as well as a honorary doctorate from the Mongolian National University. Llewellyn Juby , director of the Adventist Development and Relief Agency Mongolia , on March 7 2005 received on behalf of ADRA, the Friendship Medal from the President of Mongolia, Natsagiin Bagabandi. July 2002 The highlight of the visit will be the conferment of the ``Friendship Medal'' on Dr. Joshi for his contribution in promoting Indo-Mongolian cooperation and friendship. Mr. Igor Makarov heads ITERA since 1992. He is decorated with state awards of different countries for significant contribution to developing economic relations and strengthening friendship and cooperation between the peoples. Among the awards are the Order of People's Friendship and the Medal of Francisk Scorina (state awards of Belarus), the Friendship Medal (state award of Mongolia), the Order "Gloria Muncii" (Labor Glory) (the state award of the Republic of Moldova), as well as the Order of Holy Faithful Prince Daniel of Moscow and Innokenty the Sanctifier Metropolitan of Moscow and Kolomna, 3rd Class of the Russian Orthodox Church, the Order of Saint Sergius of Radonezh, 3rd Class of the Russian Orthodox Church, Honorary Reward "Аkinfy Nikitich Demidov" of the International Demidov's Foundation. Nyam-Osorin TSULTEM 1945 "Honoured Labour" medal, State award 1956 "Honoured Art Worker" State award 1959 State Prize of Mongolia 1962 "Red Banner" Honoured Labour medal, State award 1971 "Pole Star" State award 1974 "People's Artist" State award 1983 First prize, international exhibition of realist paintings, Sofia, Bulgaria 1983 Sukhbaatar medal, State award 1996 Sukhbaatar medal, State award 1993 First prize, international exhibition of realist paintings, Sofia Bulgaria 2000 "Hero of Labour" State award Robert A. Scalapino is Robson Research Professor of Government Emeritus at the Department of Political Science, University of California, Berkeley. He was Director of the Institute of East Asian Studies between l978 and l990. His publications include 38 books and monographs, and some 525 articles on East Asian politics and international relations. Among his awards are the Order of the Sacred Treasure from the Government of Japan and the Japan Foundation Award as well as the Order of Diplomatic Service Merit from the Government of Korea and the Friendship Medal from the Government of Mongolia. He is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Science, and a member of the Boards of the Asia Foundation, the Atlantic Council, the National Bureau of Asian Research and other bodies. Mikhail Grigorievich Voronkov : For his Activities in the development of chemical science in Mongolia he was awarded the medal of the Academy of Sciences of the Mongolian People's Republic. The Government of Mongolia awarded him the medal of Friendship and the order of the Polar Star. For the development and introduction into practice of polymolecular organo silicon coatings he was awarded the State Prize of the Ukrainian Republic (1982). His numerous and outstanding contributions to world chemistry have been acknowledged on several occasions. In 1975 he received an honorary doctorate (Doctor honoris causa), from Politechnika Gdanska. He was elected a Corresponding Member of the Braunschweig Scientific Society in 1976 and of the Chemical Society of Japan in 1990. He was also elected a foreign member of the Latvian Academy of Sciences and a member of the Union of Latvian Chemists in 1992. In 1983 he received a title "Honorary chemist of the USSR" and his name was included in the "Book of Honor" of the Ministry of Chemical Industry. He was also a recipient of the Premium of the USSR Council of Ministers for the creation of organosilicon materials for use in microelecronics and special ceramics (1991). For the creation and development of the chemistry of pentacoordinate silicon M.G. Voronkov was awarded the State Prize of the Russian Federation in 1997. He is a veteran of the Great Patriotic War (World War II) and took part in the defense of Leningrad. He was awarded the orders of "Great Patriotic War", "Red Banner of Labor", "Friendship of Peoples" and "For Great Services for the Motherland", and 18 medals. Friday, Apr 18, 2003, Alberto Galluccio, outgoing representative of the Italian Economic and Cultural Promotion Office, received the Friendship Medal of Diplomacy from the government yesterday, as he wraps up a three-year stay in Taipei before taking up a post as the first counselor in the Italian Embassy in the US. 01/06/2004 Mr Lengsavad presented his country's Friendship Medal to 13 teams and 23 individuals in Vietnam for their contribution to border demarcation and strengthening relations between the two countries. Donald C. Johnson From 1993 to 1996, he served as United States Ambassador to Mongolia.In 1996, the Mongolian President awarded him that country?s "Medal of Friendship" in recognition of his work as Ambassador. 10:43 2001-11-02 A Group Of Russian Diplomats Were Awarded State Orders And Medals Of Mongolia On the occasion of the 80th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Mongolia and Russia on November 5, 1921 the head of the Mongolian state, Natsagiyn Bagabandi, issued a decree on decorating a group of Russian diplomats with state awards of the country. One of the highest awards of the Mongolian state, the Order of the North Star, was conferred upon Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Igor Ivanov, deputy head of the presidential administration Sergei Prikhodko, deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Losyukov, deputy director of the 1st Asia department of the Foreign Ministry Nikolai Pavlov and deputy of the State Duma (lower house of parliament) Yevgeny Primakov. The Nairamdal (Friendship) Medal was awarded to Rector of the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Foreign Ministry Yury Fokin and Vice-Rector of this Academy Anatoly Illyuk, Vice-Rector of the Moscow State Institute of International Relations Valery Vorobyev and head of the Mongolian division of the 1st Asia department of the Foreign Ministry Ivan Mostyka. Presidential Medal of Friendship to Ms. Maureen O'Neil MONGOLIAN PRESIDENT WANTS STRONGER TIES WITH VIET NAM Ulan Bator, July 18 (VNA) -- Mongolian President Natsagiin Bagabandi said he would continue to create every favourable condition for all ministries and agencies and people of all strata from Mongolia and Viet Nam to promote bilateral exchange and cooperation in all areas. "These will help strengthen the relations between the two countries in the new period," President Bagabandi told Vietnamese Ambassador Nguyen The Dac, who made a farewell call to the President before ending his tenure of office in Mongolia today, July 18. President Bagabandi expressed his pleasure at Viet Nam's achievements in the renewal process and the new steps of development in the Mongolia-Viet Nam friendship and cooperation. He also spoke highly of Viet Nam's role and prestige in the region and the world as well. On this occasion, the President presented the Vietnamese diplomat with a Friendship Medal of the Mongolian State.--Enditem

This guy... you mean Zhukov

Congratulations Ed, very nice piece. On top of being the rarest of the rare, and then some, it is IMHO the most beautiful Mongolian order ever made, and that's saying something. You collection is getting actually better than what I've seen in all Mongolian museums combined.

Aiaiai, the bad boys are learning quickly. Unfortunately the stamp does not seem to be decisive, if there is one that's good, the lack of one does not necessarily mean it's faked. For the older booklets, it seems only very small pictures were used, so an early booklet with large picture, beware!!! I guess this will be a gut feeling decision. Is the booklet in very good condition, but the pic isn't, or vice versa, beware!!! Jan

Here are the scans of the two other fakes I've seen. Sorry for the bad pix, I'll try to post better ones later. The shiny gold one is a "Capral" copy, the other one was one of the first Mongolian items I bought about 5 years ago. The funny thing is that later, at a fair, I saw 2 good ones and I was convinced they were fakes because, I had a GOOD one Jan