Vatjan

Bob, We had already started something like that Here. This list needs a little updating, but it will already give you a good idea. Jan

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Hi guys, this piece comes from the collection of a friend of mine who doesn't speak english, which is why I am posting it. I know next to nothing of these badges, but I'm pretty convinced it is a fake, could you guys confirm or deny? Thanks Jan

Thanks for the quick reply Igor

Hi Guys, I've seen a book on ebay with the medal roll of the medals given by the russian provisional government to British soldiers? I forgot to write down the exact name, can someone give me the title of the book. Or better even tell me where I can find one? Thanks Jan

I've never seen a second one of these, so again I assume , this is probably a repaired order or a mix up from the seller, or something else completely mysterious. I think we should try to avoid the classification of new types and variations on the basis of a single order we've only seen pictures of. We must be aware it exists but keep it in a seperate folder until a second one confirms the existance of the first. Anyway, that is how I function ever since that */*<m:ljdp<iqp* HLM variation that haunted me for years Just to add my 2 tugruks Jan

1753 an 1776 are of the variation with the hand engraved mintmark, so we can assume (this is always dangerous, I know) that the original serial number was not quite in this range. Maybe we should try comparing engraving calligraphy just to see if it was done at the mint or not.

Let's just say it's an interesting fake

Edited for : "talking nonsense", sorry Jan

Boxed and documented, what more can a person want Congratulations nice set for the 50th anniversary of the MPR Jan

Yes, silver is definitely the heavier of the 2 materials, but also the more expensive. What I tried to explain in my previous post is that although silver is heavier, the badge might be less heavy because they will make thinner badges because of the cost of using solid silver. badge 1236 is 1,4 mm thick badge 3450 is 1,7 mm thick

I said I supposed it was silver, I'm not sure, it looks like silver not like silverplating, and the fact that it weighs only 13 gr makes me think likewise. From my experience with belgian orders, I know that golden ordres are supposed to be very heavy because of the weight of the gold, but usually are very light because they are produced very thinly, not using as much (precious) metal as one would use for a "normal" order. I guess the same could apply for these badges, made in real silver : order very thin very light, not use too much silver, these badges are probably wartime, precious metals were scarce. Once they started using bronze, who gives a ***, bronze is cheap, heavier badge, later on the economy is "blooming" back to silver, nobody cares, it's a matter of propaganda, silver badges look better than bronze ones. My 2 Tugriks, What do you guys think?

This is very interesting info for me Thank you. Jan

What would guys make of this one, I suppose it's a replacement for a screwback?

Well, here's a curiosity I found in UB, the owner apparantly didn't like the long screw sticking in his chest

I don't know if prices will continu to rise or not, that'll depend on how many madmen are out there that lust after these goodies , but I'm sure supplies will dry up before long. All of those first type orders were issued 80 years ago, in a country of nomads, most of these orders were returned to the state and melted down, they were all issued in small numbers, I guarantee not many survive, there are bound to be a few more that will come out of the country, but the ones you'll be buying (if you can afford them) in a couple of years will be coming out of collections and not from a Mongolian source. Moreover, we're still seeing a lot of items that came from the state mint, especially these ORCB's and T1 herders, they are plentyful, and there are probably enough to go round for all collector's that are willing to invest, now or in the years to come. But there were other items not quite as plentyful some 50 herder T3's, those are bound to become scarce in a couple of years. Some items did not figure in the state sale, bronze udarnik for example, they were scarce and will become increasingly so. I was just recently in Mongolia, all the items I brought back came from the same sources, I buy from through the internet, don't even believe for a second that you can buy whatever you are looking for on every streetcorner. Well, just my 2 tugriks Jan

Posted my docs here And here are the reverses of the distinguished herder badges

Border guard badge documents

A state awarded gramota, military booklet for a Khalkhin Gol participant, and 2 KGB gramota's, for which I'm still waiting to get a translation

Mother glory booklets

the more recent ones

the oldest order booklets

Partisan docs, I love those

Here is my documents collection

Well, 99% of my collection is here, no very rare or expensive pieces though. Have a few nice items comming my way soon. I'll make some shots of my award docs, tomorrow. The herder T1 doc is unfortunately not in my collection, the price was a bit steep, although I kind of regret not buying it now, since I've never seen a second.