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just i case one thinks only jeweler where responsible fore the patriotic stuff around here some picture from a ebay find

the manufacturer is not known to me but the core is one you wont see all to often ,,just seen it one time before. a nice catch ,, regards kay

its possible . according to my period jeweler book there two methods revers electrolytically and cold DE- Golding with acids but those are the old way's .. there must be enough modern time old school jewelers around able to help you out regards kay

the site is sure quicker as waf by now ,,,besides being friendlier good work

so much detailed info lost . I found evidence off ek collecting going back 130 years ,,,, but somehow the detailed info about producing these is lost . ek collectors failed to be interested in preserving the most important insider info part off collecting over 130 years . and INTERNET came to late all there is left is,,,,,, shallowly history with huge holes in it to have discussions about . only light in that is , sometimes old secondary period info allows us to make careful assumptions about how things done but,,,,, by far not enough to fill the smallest hole in history. and sure even this is disputable ,,,, as there are enough EK grabboids who don''t feel that way,as fore them there are no holes left and the world is perfect regards kay

thanks Christer ,,,,glad you like it .

hy Crister ,,there are many assumptions,opinions, about that as well in this EK1 case the L12 mark is the tell tell tale as the LDO numbers started to appear 1941/1942 ( don't have the exact date ) the overall shape and design off these crosses can be found back on period photographs ,,,some off these are even dated . also advertisement off the medal makers have being found that show in some cases the particular crosses and dated in many cases as well and the period books that have being written about these crosses do show some leads to dating these crosses .. as fore the tools these could not be used endlessly. as far as my own research reveals until today the pressing form fore the frame wood last around 30/40 years before they had to be renewed the mother model fore the sanded caste core they could be used almost endlessly got some presented about that on my site Holland verzamelt.nl - 1870/1813 OBSERVATIONS but that is fore the 1840/1880 period . as fore the WW1 and WW2 tools it may be the same . but could be different as the industrial material choice wood be better and off better quality and it is quit possible that the so called maybauer schinkel (and others) crosses with swastika made with the same frame tools as the crosses produced at 1914/1924 . until LDO came (as the general believes go's ,, and the Moore straiter look and design was generalized ) hope this helps be aware there are many opinions about this to ... regards kay

there you are,,,,,,,even a juncker frame . mistake from my side ,,(about the frame .) sorry fore that . kay

I agree Sascha ,,,, with respect ,, kay Holland verzamelt.nl - about the makers off the stie

theres nothing to wonder about it was not me who doubted the ek 1914/39 marked L12 not to be original .

no problem at all .

I am so amaised about you speedytop .. do you have originals ? take a peak in your collection and ,,,,,,,, schow us ,,,what you wood see as original ,, and tell us wy the shown cross is a original ,,,

that is the best way ,,, but wait until you buy youre first 1870 ek ,,,, because looking was so borring your hooked ... like all hooked ek junkies here see you then ,,,,regards kay

your welcome ........ regards kay

I agree with you Marrauder

to make it moore easy fore myself and solve the contrdiction we see in the collection off original Iron Crosses . I figured there two category's who are mixed up in original and fake ( replacement) discussions 1 category is = the ORIGINAL DECORATION ONLY IF OBTAINED DIRECTLY FROM THE RECIPIENT OR HIS FAMILY WITH ALL SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION WITH A VERY STRONg PROVENANCE> in short the 100% original rewarded worn soldiers property well 99.9999 % off the collectors wil not have such a cross 2 category is = the diferent Iron cross maker production examples linked to a certain time frame those examples can be, legal, war time ,peace time , patriotic ,ilegal,rewarded ,worn ,experimantal ,privat, theatre props ,replacent and so on ,and so on . but all can be placed in to a certain time frame and can be legal or not the certain time frame by the standart off the officials off that time maybe this helpes all party's here to understand eachothers point I work with category 2 GRAF also speedytop ,,youre ideal would be category 1 can these two category's be accepted ? regards kay

Who say, that the Kleiderkasse sold not authorized pieces, as "Nachbildung" > copy? authorized pieces as "Nachbildung" > copy with the mark L12 do not exist fore me . they are the real thing as the L12 is the autorisation . as nachbildungen or copy's wood never get a LDO number (speaking fore the cross this all started with ) but we can get on and on with this and never get to the bottom off this .. I stop here ,,,as I know this has been a point off discussions on many forums already and always ended undecided . I respect your opinion ,,,leave me to mine please regards kay

LDO text you cuote speaks off the peaces fore the private marked wood be optained at junckers the add off maybauer I show is in a pivate organisation book . so meant fore the private marked so those must be junckers then ?

and Maybauer was selling Juncker crosses in 1941 privately ?

a mixture ? how long until the gestapo wood make an end to that you wood think ? 1941 by the way

pricelist off the,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Nachbildung: imitation, replica, duplicate, copy, reproduction, replication

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so these are all fake ? imitation, replica, duplicate, copy, reproduction, replication

yes there are official rules and documents and laws ,,regulating the copys off original medals in the time 1933/ 1936 /1940 to bad you dont kno about them but I pass here emediatly as I do not experiance the tone off this conversation as a tone off gentlemans . and I fear the conflict is just waiting around the corner ...programed already . so its best to pass here and declare youre right in all you say and taking my words back regards kay