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Same for me.

http://www.ribbonsshop.com/austria-hungary/au100-army-cross-1813-1814-type-3/

Wow, that's a great story.

It does indeed...

Some go for thousands...

Here are some of the very earliest EKs. First a "Type A 14" cast core with J. Wagner's famous 1870 EK frame, unmarked, early pin. And now a "Type B 14" cast core with another type of (interwar) 1870 EK frame thought to have been used by Godet, marked S-W, early pin:

All I can really say is that I agree 100% with every single word Miroslav has already written. My opinions in summary: The very earliest EK1s in 1914 had cast iron cores and frame dies left over from the great makers of the 1870 EKs, Wagner and Godet.Award-types are flat with a simple pin, and can be unmarked, marked with a maker's mark (WS, S-W, G, etc.) and/or a simple 800 mark (later in the war).Private-purchase EK1s are distinguished by vaulting, non-standard hardware like screwbacks or other specialty systems, complex maker's logos (Meybauer, AWS) or longer names (GODET•BERLIN), odd silver marks (925, 935, etc.).There are probably some exceptions to these rules, mandated by the fog and rush or war.

His PLM is in a private collection: http://www.medalnet.net/quasteng.htm

​ Wow! Very nice, thank you for showing!

​Hi W. Card, Thanks, nice to see you here too. I didn't know that that exact same case came larger for other awards, but I do know that very similar cases were used for e.g. the PLM. Is that what you mean? Can you show an example of a larger case? Incidentally, here is another of the same type of case that Chris shows, also below (© emedals). I'm not 100% sure it is the same proportions as a RAO case, but I guess measurements would be necessary to answer that question.

​Hi Wild Card, Mine came in a similar case, but it is now widely accepted that red cases were also used. Chris' example is just one (of very, very many according to ASI) that has come directly from family estates in a red case.

Have the statutes for the Hohenzollern House Order ever been collected and published in English? I have the great Hamelman book Of Red Eagles and Royal Crowns, which is the translated statutes of the Red Eagle Order and the Crown Order. Has anyone ever done a similar book on the Hohenzollern House Order? Thank you in advance for any help.

Nice one in an original case Chris. I know this comment was over seven years ago... ​...but more recent findings have confirmed for me (and others) that red is perfectly, 100% acceptable, as is green. In fact red may have been the more common case color after a certain point. Further, I have never seen a black one -- so I'm not sure where that idea came from.

Let's see the case yours came with.

In the neighborhood of $2500 for the cross alone. Also, there is no certainty about the correct color of the case. This is one of the great mysteries of Prussian collecting. Most agree that green or red can both be correct but I don't think black is considered correct.

Thanks Rogi. I agree, it looks pretty close to some of those Bavarian ribbons, but I've yet to find an exact match. I don't quite know if it's silk or not. It's rather "rigid" feeling, which makes me think it's not, but that could be the effect of the silver wire in the stripe. Here's a closer look. ' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">"> You can see the silver stripe is composed of alternating silver and white threads. The card the ribbon is wrapped around says "Bayern Sanität....." and then becomes illegible for the last word or syllable. I assumed that was an error, or the card was used for a different ribbon before, because I've been unable to find anything that fits the bill. ' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">

​Hi Chris, I've seen a lot of German states' awards mounted on medalbars with watered / moiré ribbons which would not originally have had them when awarded. I think it's possible that some ribbon makers made moiré ribbons as a sort of "luxury" type of ribbon, or maybe for mounting. For example I've even seen moiré Iron Cross ribbons, and the Bavarian MVO ribbons seem to me to be about 50/50 regular vs. moiré. Same with the Prussian Crown Order. Some ribbons are moiré and some are not. I'm not even sure if they're supposed to be moiré.

For RIBBON 2 I'm going with Baden. There's a thin yellow stripe there that can't really be seen in my photo.

Thanks Chris. I thought of Bulgaria too. They did use this one, which is very close but without the black stripe: But I have not found an exact match. I've got to say that I'm surprised at how difficult it is to identify some of the ribbons in this collection. Online resources are very incomplete and the older books are mostly useless (though interesting). So if these can't be identified I'll post the next few -- but I'll keep it up a few more days and hope. ' alt='' class='ipsImage' >

Awesome man, great looking site. Can't wait to dig in.

No one?

There are probably 150 ribbons in this damn collection, but not that one. Sorry. If I were you I would contact Barry Turk at eMedals.

I may have an original. I just bought a HUGE collection of various ribbons. Can you post a pic of the ribbon you want please?

Nice EK2 probably marked S-W with the "Type B14" core -- a core which is basically identical to Godet's famous 1870 Type B but with a new obverse date (1914).

Thanks Chris. Yes, it's a good collection. Some of the ribbons are mid-20th C., maybe WWII medal-bar ribbons. Some are just beautiful old silk ribbons. Some are WWI vintage, and a very few (~10%) are fakes. But most of them are very nice pre-1945 pieces. It's a collection that someone bought all together in a group from some collector's widow. Someone obviously spent a lifetime putting this collection together. There are ribbons from almost every German state and a lot of foreign countries. By the way I love this new forum format that allows in-line posting of full-size images (interspersed with text). The best...