Bob

A small surge in boxed awards recently incl. the - presumably - original cardboard boxes. On Pumbark's website you can see an unissued Order of Red Banner neatly tucked into it's cardboard box for instance.

Aha, yes forgot about those:) Background of my question is twofold, curiosity and my interest in buying my first Lenin but preferably then a multiple Lenin group. Double Lenin awardee groups appear to be rare but available... I was curious to see how much more rare 3x, 4x etc groups would be.

So several hundreds of thousand OoL's have been awarded... but is there any reasonably accurate information on the number of "double awardees" (as well as triple, quadruple, etc.)? Also, out of curiosity, why is the Order of Red Banner the only one with an indicator on it designating multiple awardings?

Some interesting points: The medal "We Won" appears to have switched in the mid 20K zone (early 90's) into a long term commemorative medal. The medal "40 years of MPR" has one of the most compact award date range seen in any award. Ed - can you unravel below... I may have confused names and put them in wrong buckets: Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 391 11/09/1953 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 14 06/07/1946 Order of Combat Red Banner 603 27/11/1958

UPDATED MASTER LIST AWARD NUMBER DATE Distinguished Co-Worker of the State Security Service 163 17/07/1944 Distinguished Co-Worker of the State Security Service 393 10/09/1973 Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 1 1956 Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 52 28/11/1962 Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 79 13/10/1966 Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 250 1981 Hero of Labour Gold Soyombo 424 03/04/1986 Honorious Medal of Labour 1,554 06/07/1991 Honorious Medal of Labour 7,982 11/03/1959 Honorious Medal of Labour 9,393 13/11/1956 Honorious Medal of Labour 9,672 27/09/1956 Honorious Medal of Labour 10,328 30/08/1956 Honorious Medal of Labour 10,660 17/10/1951 Honorious Medal of Labour 11,032 06/11/1956 Honorious Medal of Labour 16,235 26/06/1964 Honorious Medal of Labour 16,335 11/11/1960 Honorious Medal of Labour 16,573 15/07/1965 Honorious Medal of Labour 16,634 23/07/1965 Honorious Medal of Labour 17,040 07/07/1966 Honorious Medal of Labour 23,159 04/08/1976 Honorious Medal of Labour 24,082 14/07/1960 Honored Railway Worker 105 14/01/1981 Medal We Won 2,826 06/07/1946 Medal We Won 3,443 06/07/1946 Medal We Won 5,698 16/07/1947 Medal We Won 9,678 09/07/1946 Medal We Won 21,406 20/09/1946 Medal We Won 26,931 28/12/1990 Medal We Won 52,388 28/12/1990 Medal 25 Years of the MPR 33 12/05/1947 Medal 25 Years of the MPR 13,958 30/07/1946 Medal 25 Years of the MPR 14,184 17/08/1946 Medal 40 Years of the MPR 119 07/09/1961 Medal 40 Years of the MPR 1,974 07/07/1961 Medal 40 Years of the MPR 4,758 10/07/1961 Medal 40 Years of the MPR 15,955 15/09/1961 Medal 40 Years of the MPR 29,673 28/09/1961 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 391 11/09/1953 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 854 26/09/1946 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 902 10/07/1941 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 1,288 16/09/1947 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 2,974 09/11/1948 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 3,159 20/08/1951 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 3,191 20/08/1957 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 3,561 05/07/1956 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 3,813 08/07/1947 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,125 30/06/1986 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,144 23/09/1948 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,312 08/07/1947 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,521 11/09/1953 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,794 09/07/1982 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 5,228 24/07/1954 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 5,514 20/08/1951 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,094 22/07/1946 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 7,622 08/07/1946 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 19,346 24/09/1984 Medal for Meritorious Service in Battle 20,151 19/07/1985 Medal for Unselfishness 1,046 29/04/1999 Medal of Friendship 1,761 12/11/1968 Medal of Friendship 4,086 1971 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 14 06/07/1946 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 1,049 01/10/1959 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 1,552 29/09/1964 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 2,146 00/06/1969 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 2,695 1972 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 2,777 1971 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 4,836 15/07/1985 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 5,138 03/04/1986 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 5,685 27/03/1987 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,300 09/07/1988 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,515 04/07/1991 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,854 29/08/1995 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,885 28/08/1995 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 6,972 29/08/1995 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 7,388 15/09/1995 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 8,068 09/08/1999 Order for Meritorious Service in Battle 8,126 09/08/1999 Order of the Red Banner of Military Valour 859 08/09/1939 Order of Combat Red Banner 603 27/11/1958 Order of Combat Red Banner 4,953 29/08/1995 Order of Combat Red Banner 5,348 09/08/1999 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 5,396 16/02/1965 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 8,128 01/03/1967 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 11,608 13/02/1970 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 16,062 21/02/1972 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 25/01/1975 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 24,179 20/02/1976 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 31,252 22/02/1978 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 33,062 17/02/1979 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 34,361 23/02/1980 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 43,883 00/03/1984 Order of Mother Heroine - 1st class 45,130 25/02/1981 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 543 29/05/1958 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 9,195 25/06/1958 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 13,892 10/10/1958 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 15,709 10/11/1958 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 23,451 25/02/1960 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 25,633 02/03/1961 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 29,451 25/02/1962 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 36,905 11/02/1964 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 39,895 04/03/1964 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 61,823 08/02/1969 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 77,748 17/02/1972 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 77,962 17/02/1972 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 84,187 22/02/1973 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 116,403 00/00/1978 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 120,901 27/02/1980 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 130,167 24/02/1981 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 145,118 18/08/1985 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 145,718 1985 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 145,926 04/03/1985 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 158,495 24/05/1988 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 187,862 22/05/1995 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 191,632 00/5/1997 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 191,640 22/05/1997 Order of Mother Heroine - 2nd class 196,039 10/05/2000 Order of Polar Star 88 06/07/1946 Order of Polar Star 270 06/07/1946 Order of Polar Star 822 23/09/1946 Order of Polar Star 1,029 29/09/1945 Order of Polar Star 1,162 17/10/1951 Order of Polar Star 1,217 04/12/1955 Order of Polar Star 1,225 6/09/1944 Order of Polar Star 1,562 08/07/1947 Order of Polar Star 1,956 29/11/1955 Order of Polar Star 2,265 3/11/1945 Order of Polar Star 2,313 26/09/1945 Order of Polar Star 2,506 30/12/1956 Order of Polar Star 2,705 08/12/1948 Order of Polar Star 2,824 05/02/1949 Order of Polar Star 2,946 08/07/1950 Order of Polar Star 3,079 16/01/1957 Order of Polar Star 3,301 1956 Order of Polar Star 3,553 08/07/1947 Order of Polar Star 3,917 30/12/1956 Order of Polar Star 4,832 06/11/1956 Order of Polar Star 4,948 08/12/1948 Order of Polar Star 5,556 17/09/1953 Order of Polar Star 5,901 20/07/1946 Order of Polar Star 5,941 24/07/1948 Order of Polar Star 6,133 16/02/1956 Order of Polar Star 6,335 24/05/1950 Order of Polar Star 6,453 10/11/1956 Order of Polar Star 8,143 15/11/1958 Order of Polar Star 8,712 22/10/1959 Order of Polar Star 9,013 14/12/1957 Order of Polar Star 9,138 14/07/1960 Order of Polar Star 10,358 25/08/1961 Order of Polar Star 11,340 18/05/1965 Order of Polar Star 11,611 00/03/1966 Order of Polar Star 13,376 01/12/1969 Order of Polar Star 13,809 03/06/1971 Order of Polar Star 14,236 03/07/1971 Order of Polar Star 14,292 03/06/1971 Order of Polar Star 14,718 12/03/1973 Order of Polar Star 15,860 03/07/1971 Order of Polar Star 17,522 10/06/1976 Order of Polar Star 18,389 19/10/1976 Order of Polar Star 19,735 01/12/1979 Order of Polar Star 25,483 03/04/1980 Order of Polar Star 26,734 19/11/1990 Order of Polar Star 27,017 03/07/1991 Order of Polar Star 28,321 18/04/1995 Order of Polar Star 29,034 29/11/1998 Order of Polar Star 29,893 6-xx-2000 Order of Polar Star 31,529 21/11/2001 Order of Polar Star 185/1804 1936 Order of Suche Baatar 1 1941 Order of Suche Baatar 24 1946 Order of Suche Baatar 31 1949 Order of Suche Baatar 158 1957 Order of Suche Baatar 158 24/10/1957 Order of Suche Baatar 166 29/05/1957 Order of Suche Baatar 186 06/07/1960 Order of Suche Baatar 340 1961 Order of Suche Baatar 341 1961 Order of Suche Baatar 342 1961 Order of Suche Baatar 343 1961 Order of Suche Baatar 344 1961 Order of Suche Baatar 423 1962 Order of Suche Baatar 423 28/11/1962 Order of Suche Baatar 470 13/12/1963 Order of Suche Baatar 541 1966 Order of Suche Baatar 542 1966 Order of Suche Baatar 558 1966 Order of Suche Baatar 586 1968 Order of Suche Baatar 588 1968 Order of Suche Baatar 589 1968 Order of Suche Baatar 591 1968 Order of Suche Baatar 612 10/11/1968 Order of Suche Baatar 642 12/08/1969 Order of Suche Baatar 684 15/10/1969 Order of Suche Baatar 692 1969 Order of Suche Baatar 803 05/07/1971 Order of Suche Baatar 919 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 922 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 923 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 924 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 925 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 927 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 928 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 931 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 932 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 933 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 937 1971 Order of Suche Baatar 989 1973 Order of Suche Baatar 1,123 1975 Order of Suche Baatar 1,255 14/12/1975 Order of Suche Baatar 1,335 1978 Order of Suche Baatar 1,404 22/10/1980 Order of Suche Baatar 1,412 02/12/1980 Order of Suche Baatar 1,462 08/06/1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,463 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,465 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,491 09/07/1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,530 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,532 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,548 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,562 1981 Order of Suche Baatar 1,715 1986 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 621 17/11/1951 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 1,039 16/02/1956 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 1,423 24/12/1959 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 2,329 22/10/1960 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 2,845 01/02/1960 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 2,869 24/12/1959 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 3,744 24/11/1973 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 3,809 28/04/1980 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 4,452 28/01/1975 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 4,835 22/12/1978 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 5,050 09/07/1981 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 5,826 00/00/1987 Order of the Red Banner of Labour 6,238 15/04/1993 Title of Merit 607 26/06/1981 Udarnik 2,203 31/10/1947 Virgin Lands 1,187 24/10/1979 Virgin Lands 1,300 24/10/1979 Virgin Lands 3,074 16/12/1982

Recently sold PINBACK - USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 SCREWBACK - USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007 Currently for sale PIN BACK - USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1183, www.huesken.com - USD 1.880, nr 1.785 (boxed), Nota Bene SCREWBACK - USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com

Well - I barely posted this, and I got an email:) Now for 2-3 more months of waiting...

I've for the first time sent a mail out requesting research but haven't heard back. Is waiting a few weeks normal? Thanks

You don't see these very often (ever seen a "Meritorious Agricultural Ameliorator of the USSR"?) yet they are very nice. Here's my recently acquired People's Teacher of the USSR. 14.1gr, double LMD mintmark. No serial number on reverse unfortunately. Unfortunately, because so little is seen / heard / known of these... it's not always easy to (once you find one) determine whether it's genuine or not.

Looks like it's time for me to do some "integration" work again:) Keep 'm coming Ed! The only risk with more datapoints is... more unexplained deviations from our perceived logic!

I agree, getting more Russians here would be great (and fun!). Wouldn't mind getting some Russians with Mongolia collections here either (in Georgia, I actually met a fellow Mongolia collector in Tbilisi!). I'd suggest that anybody who feels that Igor is asking too much: - shouldn't buy from him - and / or buy similar items and offer them for sale themselves to make some $$$ Igor is providing a service and nobody is forced to pay for it. Besides, I personally find the quality of service very good (have purchased a few items from CR on occasions where I felt I would probably not be able to get a certain badly wanted part of my collection via other sources). And finally, he's got a great website to drool over!

Perhaps one can be rich AND be a research-loving collector... not all "rich" people are "evil"

as many as possible - saw your pics but perhaps USAF can also add a scan?

Please show scan of reverse

Keep in mind... the 100 USD starts are not the same (i.e. Goznak / solid gold) as the 1000 USD stars! Also, the gold gold stars are obviously less easily available (though easily found after some good detective work... and then definately not for 1000 - 1600 EURO as some dealers are asking! Yes, I believe that a load of items has left the state vault shall we say. Unrewarded but still nice items of course.

Here pic of a huge document. Unfortunately not a number on the doc which could be used to tie it back to the badge. Didn't fit on the scanner and I was lazy. Now updated with interior.

Albania certainly didn't economize on their award documents! Big, high quality, nice detail.

The state vaults have opened up bringing the price down for these BEAUTIFUL stars. Just in... and love the enamel.

Distinguished in Socialist Stimulation badge and certificate. Notice the badge is produced in Prague (Zhukov?)

reverse

Here another red cross badge + FDSH (Albanian Democratic Front) 6TH Congress Badge

To be honest, how do I tell apart silver from nickel? Assuming silver is heavier, I'd say it isn't silver. I am very impressed by the level of detail of this medal... certainly not your typical crude Albanian stuff. I think what you are seeing in Albania is a bit like in some other places, the bank vaults opening up. Will post a gold partisan star (real gold that is, made in USSR!). I've been "hinted at" that soon some Laureat of Albania awards will be coming available as well... Let us wait and see

Notice the difference SELLER 1: few months ago SOLD ORDER OF THE RED BANNER OF MILITARY VALOR 2nd AWARD BOXED Battushig A 22.2, 1940-1945. Made of silver, gilt and enamels. S/n is 56, four rivets. Great near mint condition with light patina, flawless enamel. Comes with a presentation box, lightly worn. PRICE 3,950.00 [pix1] [pix2] SELLER 2 (or 3): current price Order of the Red Banner for Military Valor, 2nd award, 1940 type, #56, 1941-1945. Comes with an old issue box, possibly original to the award. Silver gilt, enamels, numbered. 50.3 mm tall. The reverse shows Soviet mint mark. Exceptional quality, even if compared to Soviet decoration of the same period. Extraordinary, near mint condition. Perfect enamel and completely intact gold plating. The rifle and sword are solidly affixed and are not bent as is often the case on the "first award" Orders of the Red Banner of 1940 type. Original silver screw plate is included. Includes an issue box, standard for Mongolian orders, possibly original to the award or of slightly later vintage. Similar to Soviet order issue boxes, it is wrapped in red oilcloth, with padded lid having silk liner, and plywood insert wrapped in paper and silk for mounting the award. This order was issued during WW2 as a consequent award to a person who had already been awarded with a single Combat Red Banner. This would have to be one of the highest ranking Mongolian and Soviet military officers. Most of the 1940-45 issues were later replaced with the 1945 model, which explains the extreme scarcity of this award. As an example, many early photos of Marshal Zhukov show him with two Mongolian Red Banners of the 1940 type, whereas his photos and portraits from mid 1950s and later invariably have him wearing the 1945 model. Few of the 1940 Red Banner 4th award have come on the market over the last few years (most of them were probably unissued specimens), however this 2nd award is the only one we've ever handled. /See A. Battushig, "Mongolian Orders, Medals & Badges" p. 48, fig. A22.2/ $11,500.00

Nice set of awards... any one of us would have gotten them as well if we would be married to the Dutch royal family. THe question is, what did Bernhard do to EARN these awards? Besides: - driving around France in his jeep with body guards? - collecting money under the table from Lockheed - etc. As you can guess, I am - although Dutch - not a monarchist.

That is an interesting screw on it. I would be surprised if it is the original one.