Solomon

Hi gents, I would like to show a new item of my collection, which recently found its way back to its relatives: This Godet-chain shows the following awards: - Lippe-Detmold house order 4th class Div. A - Schaumburg-Lippe house order 4th class - Century medal Prussia - war memory medal 1870 / 71 steel (non-combatant) - Landwehr long-service medal (old type) Unfortunately I´m struggeling with the ID of this small chain, although the combination Detmold & Schaumburg you cannot find that often. Somehow it´s coming directly from the family (the referring medalbar should still exist, but is actually not on sale!!!!), but the given names I cannot find in the rolls or they are not fitting. It looks like the ID is becoming a bigger project.... Regards Roman

Well, I know the source of this miniature...and there is no doubt about who previously was wearing it.

Hi gents, this nice and rare little fellow joined my collection... It´s the miniature of "Lippe-Detmold Denkmünze an den Einzug des Grafregenten Ernst 1897", mounted on a woman ribbonbow ! Only 50 of the 1027 medals in total were awarded by women. And en top this miniature is aristocratic, as it belonged to Gräfin Adelheid zu Lippe-Biesterfeld, proofen by drawing of her (located in the castle of Detmold), on which she was wearing exactly this little medal. Sometimes the very small things are creating the most pleasure ;-) Hope you like it, too... Regards Roman

As already stated on the MFF-platform, I have no problem with this cross. The needle-system is a variant of the typical Zimmermann-system, shown by the user dond. Regards Roman (alias LDH1)

Hi Dave, there are receipts for the Hausorden (+ Leopoldorden etc) as well, but only the newer ones. I don´t know exactly, when Detmold started to record this with the receipts. Below you see Böhmer´s receipt, belonging to the above shown photo. He awarded the LDH4bX on 10th November 1918 and returned the receipt on 18th January 1919 (!!!). Best regards Roman

Hi Dave, I agree...the difference is explained by official award date and signing the receipt...partly it took even a few months. Do you have the copy of receipt for the LDH4aX as well? As von Gillhaußen is marked in the rolls with this award, I would like to have a confirmation, that the rolls are correct at this point. Unfortunately I already saw a few examples with wrong entries for the LDH4aX / LDH4bX in the rolls....no idea why they messed up with the list of these awards between 1917-1918. Just one example: Kurt Böhmer, Regierungsbauführer in Detmold (picture below) was listed without swords, although he received them....

Aaaaargh, what a nice ribbonbar....would have been a nice addon to my collection The two Lippe-awards on that bar are: Lippe-Detmold house-order 4th class type A, awarded on 30th May 1913 as Ordonanz Offizier des Fürsten zu Lippe and Schaumburg-Lippe house-order 4th class awarded on 17th January 1912 According to the rolls he received in September 1918 also the Lippe-Detmold house-order 4th class type A with swords, but this might be a mistake in the rolls. Thanks for showing! Regards Roman

Here is a close up picture of the Sonderstufe worn by Prince Leopold IV.... ...and another picture, dated March 1913 and without swords.

I´m happy, that you like it like I do... From the same source also this little ribbonbar with three ribbons came earlier. For me it´s also belonging to Prince Leopold 4th of Lippe-Detmold, although the positioning of the Cenentary medal differs from the corresponding medalbar...no clue why ?! It shows - house order 3rd class Lippe-Detmold (Hausorden 3.Klasse) - Cenentary medal Prussia (Centenarmedaille) - throne medal 1897 Lippe-Detmold (Einzugsmedaille 1897) Any thoughts on this? Regards Roman P.S. The picture of the young Prince I found in the internet and it´s not my own property.

Hi guys, I just want to show you on of my latest entries... This ribbon bar (old style) was formerly owned by Prince Leopold 4th of Lippe-Detmold !!! Between 1905 and 1914 he was wearing exactly this combination, proofed by various photos. The bar consists of the following eight ribbons: - house order 3rd class Lippe-Detmold (Hausorden 3.Klasse Lippe-Detmold) - Leopold-order owner-cross Lippe-Detmold (Inhaberkreuz Leopoldorden) - house order golden merit cross (Goldenes Verdienstkreuz Lippe-Detmold) - throne medal 1897 Lippe-Detmold (Einzugsmedaille 1897 Lippe-Detmold) - law suit medal 1905 Lippe-Detmold (Thronanspruchsmedaille 1905 Lippe-Detmold) - golden merit medal Lippe-Detmold (Goldene Verdienstmedaille Lippe-Detmold) - war veterans club cross Lippe-Detmold (Kriegervereinskreuz Lippe-Detmold) - centenary medal Prussia (Centenarmedaille) So 7 out of 8 ribbons are from his own principal :-P I also attached the proofing photo and the colored (Photoshop) photo of the big ribbon bar. I hope you like it, as I do.... Roman

Hi Alan, I have no problem with the Kriegsehrenkreuz für heldenmütige Tat Lippe-Detmold. It´s a typical Zimmermann-piece, as it should look like. Regards Roman

Hmmm, strange guy...I can only find his SLH3, but in the Detmold rolls he is not listed at all... Kuhlgatz wears on the picture clearly Schaumburg-Lippe house-order 2nd class and Lippe-Detmold house-order 4th class. Regards Roman

The mark "SILBER" you usually find on Zimmermann-pieces from 1918 or later...the case is also a typical one used by Zimmermann. So far, I haven´t seen a 2nd piece like that...I only know the very early Büsch-ones (I showed in this topic earlier) and the 2nd Büsch-model with a changed stamp.

It´s time to contribute something, which I got recently.... Life-saving medal Lippe-Detmold, later version from 1918 which was made by C.F.Zimmermann in Pforzheim (marked with SILBER at its ring)...but with the original case (Zimmermann delievered around 10 medals to prince....number of awards of this medal ....unknown!). The ribbon is the original one (darker than the earlier model).

And here is another one...also in a Godet-case, very similar to Red´s one :-) And to complete story, I will show you also the official Silver gilden cross with oakleaves, made by Godet!

Damn...you are right :-) Thanks Heiko...

Hi gents, I have bought this photo quite long ago, but I simply hadn´t any name. Now in another forum it was maybe identified. The officer on this photo is wearing at his medalbar (partly identified due to the person): - Iron cross 1870 2nd class - order of the red eagle 4th class with swords - order of the crown 3rd class with swords - Dueppeler cross 1864 - Alsen cross 1864 - war merit cross 1866 (Mainarmee) - war merit medal 1864 - war merit medal 1870 / 71 - Lippe Detmold house order 3rd class with swords - Schaumburg- Lippe military merit medal with sabres on the ribbon He was 99 % identified as captain Friedrich von / van Beughem Infanterie-Regiment No. 55 He awarded the red eagle order 1866 and the order of the crown 1864 as Sekonde-Lieutnant (!!!) and the Lippe-Detmold house-order in 1871 as Priemierleutnant. The Schaumburg-medal was also awarded in the war 1870/71. Best regards Roman

Here is the reverse of the photo :-)

Of course, I will do when I´m back home...

Ok, this might be an explanation, why Dr. Schuster went for a photo to Cologne :-)

Hi, this nice picture took quite some time to ID. Here are the facts: Officer in the uniform of "Lippische Fuessiliere", which were integrated in 1867 in the Prussian army (IR No.55). The age might be around 45 and older. The photo was taken in Cologne. He is wearing: Prussian Order of the crown 4th class with swords (at the blue ribbon for Non-Prussians!) Lippe housorder 3rd class (the 4th class didn´t exist yet) Prussian war medal 1866 (non-combatant ribbon ? ) Lippe-Detmold war medal 1866 These facts usually would be sufficient for an easy identifaction.....would... Unfortunately no Lippe-officer awarded the KO4X and the DETMOLD house order 3rd class, but a look into Schaumburg rolls shows the desaster. This officer can only be Obermilitaerarzt Dr. Dietrich Schuster, Lippischer Füsilier until 1867, when he retired from the military service. He got in 1869 surprisingly from Schaumburg the house order 3rd class, although he was born and lived in Lippe-Detmold! Why he is wearing the triangle ribbons, I don´t know. It´s also strange, that he didn´t get the Prussian war medal for 1848/1849... Best regards Roman

As you all adore the beauty, I feel also forced to show you the ugly beast :-P This 2nd class with oak leaf is a ugly brother to the shown one. It´s silver gilden and the oak leaf is pretty strange mounted on a hinge and 90° foldable !!! I´m not 100 % sure, but I guess it is a very late one from C.F. Zimmermann, as the arms, where the hinge is mounted, are the same like the late 1st classes. But the (damaged) medallion at its back is clearly a Godet-piece, so it might be a repaired hybrid, where some old parts were used again. BTW, no doubts that this cross is a original one, although in comparision it was less an award to get this (special) cross, but more a punishment :-P Regards Roman

A real beauty in the right hands ;-)

Well, good question...to define a right market-price might be not possible. I assume, that this one might be even the only one, which survived. In general it is a very rare order with very low numbers of awards... even difficult to say, how many Büsch-awards are still around. I´m still missing a picture of a person, who is wearing this 1st model. Regards Roman

@ Alpha D. Very difficult to answer. Apparently there are many more fakes on the market, than original pieces. I added a scan of the detailed rose (the background is gold) and the letter L. The fakes I know (sold on ebay and at a known trader) differ especially here from the original pieces. A third criteria might be the crown, but this is difficult to fix in a scan. @ Michael The first model without enameled arms were officially only produced by Carl Büsch, Hannover. So all should look more or less the same. But I can confuse you know even more...I also have a 2nd piece here...an original one, but clearly made by Godet, Berlin. It differs especially in the letter L and the crown. Luckily I had access to the archive...Godet delivered in 1910 exactly 10 pieces to the prince, but these ones weren´t awarded anymore, as the prince decided to renew his Leopold order and changed the cross-arms to the blue enameled one. My piece has exactly the same designed letter L between the arms and the same needle-system like the official 2nd model. It might be a unique piece and without this knowledge (delivery etc) I wouldn´t have bought it for sure. BTW, with the switch to the 2nd model, the prince also officially switched from Büsch to Godet. Sorry for the confusion :-P