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    paja

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    1. The miniature looks just fine to me as well. The only unusual thing is the pin, they came with suspension ring and ribbon. Also the quality looks very good, I've seen some hideous miniatures of that order. You can see more examples here. One more thing, the miniature appears to be gilded so it should be 4th class or higher.
    2. You are welcome! Most of the Takovo Orders are hallmarked, Rothe usually put the mark on suspension ring or loop. Looks like this one somehow escaped from the workshop before that Anyway, a great catch, congrats!
    3. Sometimes sellers state that orders like that have small numbers, whether deliberately to achieve the higher price or not that's another thing. There are also Labor Orders & Orders of Merit for the People with partially visible number. Examples from my collection.
    4. You can find photos of one Grand Cross set made by Rothe on emedals website here. I still can't see all of the details but most of the features make me think of Rothe.
    5. Do you know did he serve in the Kingdom of SCS/Yugoslavia? If so perhaps something can be dug up, I pulled up couple of personal files for my ancestors from the Military Archive in Belgrade. They have NCO and officers' personal records, and although I didn't find couple of names I was looking for I think most of the files are saved.
    6. Don't mention it, that's why we're here. Check the back side, it probably has IKOM and "rooster" hallmarks.
    7. I think I read somewhere that there were golden badges but can't remember where exactly. Rudež doesn't mention them, I don't remember seeing any before and images are not very good.
    8. Order with ZIN needle is actually piece from IKOM which was remade at Belgrade. In most cases the number is partially visible because of the pin holder which was put on top of it.
    9. I measured couple of pieces from my collection and Yugoslav made medals weight 23-29 grams while the Soviet ones are 32-33 grams. Anyway nice looking medal, my congrats!
    10. Yes, the total number is unknown unless they weren't awarding that order after 1986. And that's just one part of the problem, the other one is the fact that even the numbers given for the period before 1986 are not complete. Considering that the Yugoslav Flag was introduced after the war and the number of recipients is not that big actual numbers shouldn't be too different from the ones given by Rudež. I believe that there are so many of them on the market because someone found a huge stash. Like I said we often hear stories like that and collectors are skeptical but I think that's the case here. When you look at the offer in huge amount of cases you get just the decoration, rarely can you see order inside box and I don't remember seeing a complete set with document! But when I think about it I don't think I ever saw a document for the 4th and 5th class of Yugo Flag ...
    11. I apologize for not replying sooner. I'm not sure about the rank issue. Perhaps the solution lies in the fact that he was commissioned in the RAF. So maybe he wore "three stars" as a Yugoslav king while he held a lower rank in the RAF.
    12. I'm also not sure if that's a hallmark. There are some examples that are not marked. If you could post a bigger image of the front and back side of the order I think I'd be able to give you definite answer if that's really Rothe's piece or not.
    13. According to Stojan Rudež around 77.000 Bravery Medals were made in the USSR.
    14. Greetings Georg, That number is from the book "Decorations of SFRY" by Stojan Rudež from 1987. Mr. Rudež was the head of the Chancery of the Orders in the '80s (I think from 1982 'till 1984). The author gives us the number of orders awarded until the end of 1985, so the total number should be a bit higher. I've also seen 5th class orders with numbers close to 800, (the highest one so far - 78X), for one of the rarest orders it appears too often on the market. I believe the numbering started from 1 because I've seen order with one figure number. Bunch of 4th and 5th classes are available on ebay, for example, at all times, I think there are around 15 of them right now. I've also seen sellers with literally dozens of those lower classes. The first class is also appearing too often considering the number of awards, let's round it to 1500 (1421 + unknown number from 1986 until 1992). Considering that they do not look suspicious in any way, at least not to me, I think the most of them were not awarded. I know that many collectors are very skeptical about "the warehouse find" stories but I can't think of any other explanation. PS for some reason many online sources, including sammler, replaced the number of awards for 2nd and 3rd class. Rudež wrote that 1443 2nd classes and 1300 3rd classes were awarded until the end of 1985, not the other way around.
    15. Medal of Merits for the People (Медаља заслуга за народ). At one point a bunch of these appeared on the market, they were pretty cheap so I got one for myself.
    16. Mitar Petković (Митар Петковић) next to (his) adopted solution for the Order of Republic of Serbia.
    17. This might be useful, Royal Yugoslav Air Force shoulder boards, sleeve ranks and insignia.
    18. One more Miloš popped up at emedals, it can be found here. "First Class by Karl Fleichhacker, comes with old original silk sash, without rosette." That sash can't be original and it doesn't look old so how can they tell it's 1st class badge, why not 2nd or 3rd? They looks exactly the same...
    19. Mitar Medović (Митар Медовић) wearing Charity Cross, type with crown. Photos found here. Mr. Medović is humanitarian worker and retired police officer.
    20. Portrait by Đorđe Krstić (Ђорђе Крстић) from 1902. Order of the Holy Sepulchre and Order of Miloš the Great are visible. I believe king Milan was buried with these two orders. The painting was heavily damaged by Bulgarian troops during WW1, canvas was cut and pierced with edged weapons. Fortunately it was restored to its former glory.
    21. You're welcome! I didn't even notice that the seller is from Maribor, I saw that the ad is on Croatian website so I presumed the seller is from Croatia. Anyway definitely genuine piece made by the Soviets.
    22. Greetings and welcome to GMIC! I believe the thing that's confusing you the most are uniforms he wore while in exile. Yugoslav volunteers of the Allied Forces didn't wore Royal Yugoslav uniforms instead they wore British and American uniforms with Yugoslav insignia (buttons with Yugoslav coat of arms, stars for shoulder boards, patch Jugoslavia or Yugoslavia). Here are couple of photos of Yugoslav Air Force uniforms (captain 1st class and lieutenant colonel) from some exhibition I found online.
    23. Order of Miloš Obilić inside box. Looks so much better with patina.
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