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Well if the term Cavalier does apply, there were a total of 6557 of them... Just thought I'd add that little bit of info for the fun of it. JC

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It was hard to find a clear signature, but here is a pretty good one.. From one of Ed's lovely docs

I looks like you are having a great time Ed. You must have had a great time meeting Mr. Gotov! I will post his signature asap in the signature thread! I was going to post sooner but I've had the flue something horrible. I couldn't help but think that it is a shame that the monuments etc. of the communist era are now being vandalized and neglected. Sure, it may not have been the greatest, but it's still a part of their past. Can't really blame them though.. Anyway I hope Dr.B is well and I can't wait to see what great stuff you've found on this trip!! Cheers JC

That makes three of us.... I'm nuts about low serial numbers, hell serial numbers are good period!!!!

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Ed, I only just noticed that two of your docs. are signed by Bumtsend and Choibalsan!! Just goes to show how important herding really was! Anyway I found these pics and I've been meaning to post them.. I'm just not sure who they belong to or where I found them, but here goes. JC

Here is one I didn't expect to find. It's the signature of Sukhbaatar's widow, S?hbaataryn Yanjmaa. This has to be one of the hardest to find. I'm guessing she would only have been in a position to sign award docs. as the acting head of state between 23rd of September 1953 and the 7th July 1954. Since this is from your Suugiyn Gombo group, could you confirm that this would be a possible date for the booklet? Anyway here are the relevant bits. Enjoy. From Wikipedia again: "S?hbaataryn Yanjmaa (mongol. Сүхбаатарын Янжмаа; born Nemendeyen Yanjmaa Нэмэндэён Янжмаа; 1893 - 1963) was a Mongolian politician. S?hbaataryn Yanjmaa served on the politburo of the People's Revolutionary Party from 1940 until 1954, and was Secretary of the party's Central Committee from 1941 until 1947. She was a member of the Presidium of the Little Hural (the executive committee of the Great Hural, or Parliament) from 1940 to 1950, and of the Great Hural from 1950 to 1962. Following the death of Gonchigiyn Bumtsend, she served as acting President of Mongolia for the transitional period, lasting from 23 September 1953 until 7 July 1954. This made her the first woman in the role of head of state of a country, at least provisionally. The first woman to take this role formally as well was Isabel Mart?nez de Per?n in Argentinia in 1974. The first one based on a popular election was Vigd?s Finnbogad?ttir in Iceland in 1980. S?hbaataryn Yanjmaa was the widow of Damdin S?hbaatar, considered a military hero of Mongolia, who died in 1923 at the age of 30. In place of her father's name Nemedeyen, as normally the case in Mongolia, she adopted the name of her former husband after his death." Here are two pictures of the lady, one from when she was very young and the second will no doubt be familiar to you all. Her signature is the one on the top, I've been trying to ID the other signature that I've seen a few times now but no luck yet. What I can make of it it says "Bayar" but that's about it... I can't seem to find anybody that would fit that name but perhaps I'm just not looking in the right places.... Anyway More to come later.... JC

A very interesting article about the tensions between China, the USSR and Mongolia in the '60's. It also sheds some light on the 1966 visit by, and eventual awarding of the "Honorary Freeman of the MPR Golden star medal" to Brezhnev in 1974. JC Mong. article. PS. just found this transcript of a conversation between the Chinese and Mongolians on the border dispute mentioned in the article... Kinda fun to read. transcript

I totally missed this thread.... Thanks for postng Ed. I should have another think about this one.... JC

Glad you like it Ed. I'm going to start off easy and work my way to the much harder to read Uighur ones. I will be needing help though, and so discussions will no doubt be needed. Next up is Jamtsarangiyn Sambuu. It appears he held the same positions as Bumtsend from 7 July 1954 until the 20th of May 1972. I've only encountered his signature in Cyrillic, but I hope a Uighur one is out there somewhere. He was born in 1895 so there is no reason why there wouldn't be one somewhere.... Fingers crossed. Anyway here is the man and his signature.

I have found two of his signatures, one in Uighur and the other in cyrillic. This first one is from my 1943 PS2 doc discussed in the PS thread, and the second signature one is from one of Ed's documents from the "docs. a go-go" thread. Hope you don't mind Ed?

I hope Chris doesn't mind me using his thread title. It's a good title, so credit goes where it should. I've been thumbing through my docs for a while now wondering who all these people where and what they did. We all know Tsedenbal and Choibalsan but what about the "little" guys? I've decided to start with a fellow that signed countless documents, has a cool name and even cooler looks! Gonchighiyin Bumtsend. From wikipedia: "Gonchigiyn Bumtsend, also Gonchighiyin Bumatsenda (September 11, 1881-September 23, 1953) was Chairman of the People's Great Hural of Mongolia and there by head of state of that country from July 1951 until his death. Having participated in the 1921 revolution that established the Mongolian People's Republic, Gonchigiyn Bumtsend was chosen to serve as chairman of the Presidium of the Lower Hural in 1940. He became a member of the country's Politburo three years later, in 1943 and chairman of the Great Hural eight years later. It was an honorary role, with power residing in the hands of the prime minister, Horloogiyn Choybalsan" Here is Bumtsend standing next to Choibalsan, both looking very happy. I hope Dr.B doesn't mind me using his pic from his book..

Not too upset about the lack of original ideas, well not if they look like this I'm not.! Ed, if you have it handy could you post one with your Dimitrov?, that's not a bad looking order either....

Don't worry Ed, I'm a loyal mongolian obsessed nutter. I do like the odd Japanese item though, from time to time. I had a look through my brother's Burke's Peerage book and according to it, this is the 2nd class sash badge. To ID the grade of this award one only has to count the number of little gold stars in the red rays. At least for the top grades, the lower grades get blue instead of white rays... Rather interesting really. Cheers and thanks again. JC

Thanks Ed for the lightning fast ID Are these rare? It certainly is a good looking item even with the ribbon missing. Thanks! JC

I found this item on Ebay and I must confess I don't know what it is.... It certainly looks Japanese, but that's about it... I'm not going to bid on the item but I thought it was rather interesting. Any thoughts? JC

Early communist North Korea orders are also un-mintmarked, although definitely made by the Soviet mint. -

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The two interesting docs. I promised earlier. Both are trade Union related and both were issued in 1960... Just fun to see. You've got to like the art/style of the time! JC

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I found these pictures on a Russian forum and I thought I'd just post them here for discussion. I hope they don't mind.. I'm not sure that this would qualify as a separate variation but it's interesting to see all the same. The screwposts on these two KKG badges are of a different thickness. The one on the left has a 3mm screwpost and the one on the right is 2.5 mm. Could you all take a look please, this might be fun to figure out... I would check, but I'm ashamed to say I don't have a mirror rev. KKG JC PS. I just measured the Screwpost of my FB KKG and it's 4mm thick. This makes me think that the figures I mentioned above may be wrong although those are the correct figures according to the Russian forum. It sounds a little thin though. I could be wrong but 3.5mm and 4mm sounds more likely. Thanks

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I thought I'd post a picture of the lowest known serial # of the type 2.1 and a 2.2 I just got in for the fun of it...

Just thought I'd add my little flock before a few of them go out to pasture on the wicked ebay..... Better and brighter things to replace them though!!!