Ralph A Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 From St. John's Commandery #20 of the Knight's Templar, Youngstown. OH.Found on eBay. Couldn't resist it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph A Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 Reverse.The Knight's are still there. Check 'em out (gotta love the music!):http://www.ktecorps.org/StJohns.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph A Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 It's not every day that one sees an American Iron Cross.It's 25.4mm across its arms, or......exactly one inch. Here's a nice comparison: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph A Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) It's heavy! My scale is put away, but even without the suspension bar it weighs as much as a Knight's Cross.A lot of silver is in the thing. Core appears to be brass.(In the comparison shot below, it's the one in the center. A 1914 EK2 is above it, and a 1914 EK1 is beneath it.) Edited July 30, 2006 by Ralph A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph A Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 Some misc. shots. Made in Akron OH, USA......well who knows... I'm going to contact the Lodge and see if they can shed some light on the piece. I would like to know the significance of the date, for one thing; and see if they can tell me when this was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph A Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 The hardware looks German. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph A Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 Final shot. Thanks for looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Ralph, I don't know how to break this to you...it's a fake:the S&L die flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Ralph, Nice "naval" variation with the brass core. Must be pre LDO and therefore a type A S&L. Can we get Dietrich to analize this one?Dan Murphy Edited July 31, 2006 by Daniel Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Hi Gents ...You have to remember that the Dietrich's Type A & B designation refers to the dies used for the RK's only...not the 1st or 2nd class EK's . Ralph ..you found a great Medal here ...I would have bought it in a heartbeat Edited July 31, 2006 by Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) -- Edited July 31, 2006 by Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Hi Gents ...You have to remember that the Dietrich's Type A & B designation refers to the dies used for the RK's only...not the 1st or 2nd class EK's . IMO The die used on this was not a typical TR period die ...look at the space where the Swas would go , not enough room ...and the depth of the beading , corner seam's and lack of symmetry (look at how the beaded corner between the 12 and 3 o'clock dips too far into the center where the "Swas" would be). Look at how thick (or wide) the flange is on the 3 o'clock arm , now compare that flat flange to the 9 o'clock arm.Okay Mike. Just a little good natured joking going on. I promise it won't happen again.Dan Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Okay Mike. Just a little good natured joking going on. I promise it won't happen again.Dan MurphySorry about that Dan ..I thought you were honestly thinking that was a Type A ...you know , you kids today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 http://members.aye.net/~mainman/groucho/marxremindme.wav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) ...you know , you kids today Thanks for the compliment, I am a kid at heart. But I do remember the Marx brothers and not from CDs. I'll be 48 in a week or so. BTW, Nice cross you have there. Dan Murphy Edited July 31, 2006 by Daniel Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 (edited) Thanks for the compliment, I am a kid at heart. But I do remember the Marx brothers and not from CDs. I'll be 48 in a week or so. BTW, Nice cross you have there. Dan MurphyA little early but ..Happy Birthday Dan ! ..I just turned 50 - 3 weeks ago , I'm still trying to figure out what happened. I'm keeping my eyes open for one of these now ..let us know what you find out from the Lodge Ralph Edited August 1, 2006 by Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 When I turn 50 I'm letting my hair grow, getting tattoos and a motorcycle, and gonna start hitting on high school girls. Look out, world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph A Posted August 4, 2006 Author Share Posted August 4, 2006 I can't believe no one had anything to say about the music.* That's easily the best part... the heck with the cross..........More greats:http://www.ktecorps.org/trestleboard.htmlhttp://www.ktecorps.org/Coeurdelion.htmlAnd now, I leave you with the official theme song for this thread: http://www.ktecorps.org/woods.html *(Is that a triple-negative? Kids, don't try this at home.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 (edited) That's easily the best part... the heck with the cross..........Ralph, Cool. You keep the music, I get the cross. Done deal? Your "theme" sounds like accompaniment to a silent movie. I had no idea you were that old. Dan Murphy Edited August 5, 2006 by Daniel Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Hi Ralph,So glad you pm'd me the link to this one. Just a terrific piece! I'm not generally into Masonic, etc. but this one is a beaut.Got me to thinking also about a collection of such that our local museum has. I'll get with one of the officers up there and see about them getting me in for a bit to take some good pics of such. In fact, it "might" be possible if I get ahold of the President that she might let me take the case for a few hours and come back and scan them in so I can get really good pics. It's to their advantage in a way as when I post such things, the more info I can get back it all goes to them and helps to add to their displays. I'll see what I can do as they do have a nice little collection of such things.I'm dying to know if you get more info on this one as it's an absolute gem!Thanks, Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 WHAT????!!!! freemasons!!! germans!!!! iron cross!!!!Sounds like I conspiracy to meeee ha ha!!!Rod (a fifty year member .. well 48 year anyway!!!)ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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