--dj--Joe Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Searching but can not find anything on this board.Any and all help appreciated.[attachmentid=58211]--dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 Reverse.[attachmentid=58212]--dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 Obverse close up.[attachmentid=58213]--dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Strong Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 The device resembles the device for an HQhttp://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/uniforms_f...ices/gothic.htmscroll down to "G+1-6" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 Many thanks for the link, I will do some research in that direction.--dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted November 2, 2006 Author Share Posted November 2, 2006 So far, Bann 23, Motor-HJ, Oberkameradschaftsfuhrer.--dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 (edited) Have been generously informed that it is in all likely hood, Oberkameradschaftsfuhrer, Gebietsleitung 23, Motor-HJ, Mittelebe(central Elbe). Gebiet = area.Thanks to, Laurence, Raymond and Paulj. Thanks also to all who replied to my questions!--dj--Joe Edited November 5, 2006 by --dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XEN Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Hi Joe, Interesting strap When I saw it my first thought was 'what's that rank doing on that type of strap?' According to Angolia the rank of Oberkameradschaftsf?hrer wasn't introduced until 1938 so a conscientious HJ boy who dressed according to the then current regulations shouldn't really have been wearing this rank on those shoulder straps. Then again there would seem to have been a short cross-over where the rank existed for a short time within the period where the khaki straps were still in official use. Perhaps this would explain the rank being on these straps.HJ-Gebiet 23 (Mittelbe) was formed in late 1934 so certainly that is correct for these straps but... the Oberbanne (shown on the straps by the piping - in this case red for Oberbann 1) were dissolved in mid-1934. I can't find a reference which says that after the dissolution of the Oberbanne that all shoulder straps were to have red piping. Only this would explain why this boy was still wearing these straps as late as 1938 - four years after the Oberbanne ceased to exist.Motor-HJ is incorrect as only the black post-1938 straps began to show distinctions between the various HJ organisations - Flieger-HJ, Motor-HJ etc.So, after all that I would say in conclusion that this is a strap for a HJ-Oberkameradschaftsf?hrer on the staff of Gebiet 23 Mittelelbe and dates from sometime between Mid-1934 and 1938. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted July 7, 2007 Author Share Posted July 7, 2007 XEN, thank you much. So when red is refered to it really means more of a rose pink? Mine has some age to it but does not appear to be washed out. The last image is the closest to true color.--dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBierStein Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Cool board...good find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Hello!Nice find. RegardsNesredep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted November 3, 2007 Author Share Posted November 3, 2007 VonBierStein and Nesredep,Thank you both for the compliments.--dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XEN Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I wrote:"Motor-HJ is incorrect as only the black post-1938 straps began to show distinctions between the various HJ organisations - Flieger-HJ, Motor-HJ etc."My apologies because that is in fact complete rubbish. The brown straps showed the following distinctions:Bright red piping - General HJLight red - Motor-HJFlieger-HJ - blueNachrichten-HJ - yellowLandjahr - greenMembers of Gebiet and RJF staff - karmesinSource: Organisationsbuch der NSDAP 1937 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--dj--Joe Posted May 13, 2008 Author Share Posted May 13, 2008 Xen, thanks. Would my example be considered red or light red?--dj--Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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