Wound Badge "20 July 1944"

[Christophe]

Here is a wound badge "20 July 1944", as displayed in the Imperial War Museum in London.

There is no detail about its attribution.

I've read (or been told) that it could be a copy. What do you think ? Any additional info about this theory ?

Ch.

Pic : ? Christophe ? ChR Collection

[Christophe]

More detailed pic.

Ch.

Pic : ? Christophe ? ChR Collection

[Christophe]

Another one.

Ch.

Pic : ? Christophe ? ChR Collection

[Christophe]

It is clear and obvious it did not look exactly like the one displayed in Detlev Niemann's Price Guide - edition 2 (page 555)...

Ch.

[Christophe]

No comment from the experts on this one ?

Ch.

[Christophe]

I'm surprised... No comment about this badge ?

Ch.

[Guest Darrell]

The case looks a little too large if anything. In Angolia's "For Fuhrer and Fatherland" there is a good picture of Hitler awarding the badges to some of the recipients on Aug 20th. The case Keitel is holding appears to be nio larger than that for a regular wound badge.

Edited December 23, 2006 by Darrell

[Christophe]

Hi Darrell,

Thanks for the comment. I thought this thread was lost somewhere in space ...

I don't know what to think about the box. I unfortunately don't know the picture you are referring to. Maybe you could post it here ? The one shown in the IWM is similar to another one I have seen in a russian book. Exactly the same. But these two boxes are in many points different from the one Detlev Niemann shows in his Price catalog (pages 555 - 556). Don't know what to think ?

Ch.

[Guest WAR LORD]

I think this is a copy.

[Christophe]

Thanks Chris.

And about the box ?

Ch.

[Guest Darrell]

Picture:

[Christophe]

Thanks Darrell,

In fact I knew and had this picture, but in a very small size. Now, just have to try to check the size of the bow, compared to the doc.

Ch.

[Jef]

I'm surprised... No comment about this badge ?

Ch.

Hello,

Maybe this copy doc suits the badge?

Jef

[Christophe]

Hi Jef,

For my information, where did you get this color copy? I have already seen it in B&W (in Detlev Niemann's book) but not in color...

Cheers.

Ch.

[Jef]

Hi Jef,

For my information, where did you get this color copy? I have already seen it in B&W (in Detlev Niemann's book) but not in color...

Cheers.

Ch.

Hello Christophe,

I got it from a friend, who has several items. In this way, I know it's a fake. But what a fake!!! A golden bird... and a 3D stamp in the left undercorner.

kind regards,

Jef

[Christophe]

Yes, a good reproduction, for sure. Thanks Jef.

Cheers.

Ch.

[WW2PO]

Christophe,

The following seems that it may be one in the same?

[Christophe]

Hey, I don't know... Each time I see a pic of this badge, it looks like a different type...

Ch.

[speedytop]

This is a badge shown here first out of the Imperial War Museum, differently coloured.

It is a copy.

[speedytop]

That is the case, you can see the same in the Museum.

Edited January 15, 2007 by speedytop

[speedytop]

And this is the reverse, marked L 12 und 800.

The needle is marked with 4.

Regards

Uwe

I beg your pardon for my bad English

[Justinkase]

Here is a wound badge "20 July 1944", as displayed in the Imperial War Museum in London.

There is no detail about its attribution.

I've read (or been told) that it could be a copy. What do you think ? Any additional info about this theory ?

Ch.

Pic : ? Christophe ? ChR Collection

Hello Christophe,

After looking at the pictures that you have posted and checking out William E. Hamelmans` book "German Wound Badges" pages 59-61, in my opinion, and what is pictured and written in Williams` book, this badge is a cast copy. Also in my opinion the case is also to big for the badge.

Best Wishes,

Justinkase

[Christophe]

Hello Christophe,

After looking at the pictures that you have posted and checking out William E. Hamelmans` book "German Wound Badges" pages 59-61, in my opinion, and what is pictured and written in Williams` book, this badge is a cast copy. Also in my opinion the case is also to big for the badge.

Best Wishes,

Justinkase

Thanks Justin for the comment. I was quite sure now it is not a real one; your precision goes in the same direction.

I will ask the IWM about it.

Thanks again.

Cheers.

Ch.

[Gordon Williamson]

This fake comes in two versions. One is die struck in real silver, measuring 45mm x 37mm and weighing 37gr. The other is cast, probably using the same die struck version as a "master" and isn't realsilver. It weighs30gr and measures just 43mm x 36mm. Even though the difference in size between the cast and die struck fakes is slight, it is enough to be visible.

[Gordon Williamson]

Reverse.

The smaller fake has the L/12 mark in the centre, the larger die struck one has L12 800, and also has the pin with the Steinhauer "4" mark.