Christian Zulus Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 General VarennikovDear Ed,many thanks for putting the focus on Gen. Varennikov .He might have been the most important (Soviet) military figure in the 4th Afghanistan War.At the photograph you posted we can see a Motherland 2cl, but the link in Russian language mentions only a Motherland 3cl. On all other photographs you can also see the Motherland 2cl: http://www.valentinvarennikov.ru/gallery.htmlWikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Varennikov notes, that he is a Cavalier of the Order of Glory . That's stupid, because comrade Varennikov was an Red Army officer, when he stormed the Reichstag in Berlin. At the photograph-link of the general's personel website you can see him in march 1945 with 2 ORBs & 2 OGPWs.It seems, that he received his Motherland 2cl for achievments in Afghanistan.What do you think about this?Best regardsChristianA teeny image (expanded a bit) of Varennikov.See also: http://informacia.ru/facts/varennikov-facts.htm
Christian Zulus Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 (edited) Lt.-Col. Shubin's Order of GloryDear Ed,many thanks for the link .For me it is obvious, that Lt.-Col. Shubin received the "Order of Glory" from Afghanistan.Thats the Afghanistan-Glory from Igor's website:[attachmentid=59786]Best regardsChristianOn our interesting Colonel Shubin, see: http://www.specialoperations.com/mout/soviet5.html Edited November 5, 2006 by Christian Zulus
Ed_Haynes Posted November 5, 2006 Author Posted November 5, 2006 (edited) Lt.-Col. Shubin's Order of GloryDear Ed,many thanks for the link .For me it is obvious, that Lt.-Col. Shubin received the "Order of Glory" from Afghanistan.Thats the Afghanistan-Glory from Igor's website:[attachmentid=59786]Best regardsChristianThat is it, though on the wrong ribbon! (Herewith, an old scan, was going to do a better scan for my "Afghan Abyss" thread when I get the boys on home leave -- http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=12313 ). Edited November 5, 2006 by Ed_Haynes
Christian Zulus Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 Dear Ed,Igor sells orders on wrong ribbons?Igor's ribbon matches perfectly to the colours of the medal .What do you think?Best regardsChristian
Christian Zulus Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 CNN-Interview with General VarennikovGentlemen,here you'll find a CNN-Interview with that famous Soviet General:http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episo...ews/varennikov/Best regardsChristian ZulusGeneral VarennikovDear Ed,many thanks for putting the focus on Gen. Varennikov .He might have been the most important (Soviet) military figure in the 4th Afghanistan War.At the photograph you posted we can see a Motherland 2cl, but the link in Russian language mentions only a Motherland 3cl. On all other photographs you can also see the Motherland 2cl: http://www.valentinvarennikov.ru/gallery.htmlWikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Varennikov notes, that he is a Cavalier of the Order of Glory . That's stupid, because comrade Varennikov was an Red Army officer, when he stormed the Reichstag in Berlin. At the photograph-link of the general's personel website you can see him in march 1945 with 2 ORBs & 2 OGPWs.It seems, that he received his Motherland 2cl for achievments in Afghanistan.What do you think about this?Best regardsChristian
Ed_Haynes Posted November 5, 2006 Author Posted November 5, 2006 Blue and white is the correct ribbon for this medal (what I show); Igor's image is WRONG. Medal wholesalers in Kabul do a massive free-wheeling job of mix-and-match of medals and ribbons and dealers sell whatever they get. The Glory you show is on the ribbon of the long service medal (in one of its immensely coinfusing incarnations). See my "Afghan Abyss" for more than you ever wanted to know.
Christophe Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 Dear Ed,Igor sells orders on wrong ribbons?Igor's ribbon matches perfectly to the colours of the medal .What do you think?Best regardsChristianHi Christian,Ed is right about the ribbon. And on his site, Igor says : "Comes on generic ribbon, often used by Afghan medal recipients for all occasions. /See "State Awards of Afghanistan", p.40/".The ribbon, as the colours of the medal, match well... because these are the colors of the Afghan flag !!! Cheers.Ch.
Ed_Haynes Posted November 5, 2006 Author Posted November 5, 2006 Igor says : "Comes on generic ribbon, often used by Afghan medal recipients for all occasions. /See "State Awards of Afghanistan", p.40/".
Christophe Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 Hi Ed,Is this point really stated in the boook mentioned by Igor (I don't have it... ) ?Cheers.Ch.
Ed_Haynes Posted November 5, 2006 Author Posted November 5, 2006 I have the book, though it being in Russian it isn't of much use to me. If the book says this, then it is speaking rubbish (too).
Christian Zulus Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 Dear Ed,dear Christophe,you are right: Igor offers the wrong ribbon .Eddie from the "other" Soviet-forum notes, that the Afghan Order of (Labour) Glory is an order for civilian merits. This is also shown clearly via the symbols at the av. - my humble opinion.So it is very interesting, that Lt.-Col. Shubin was decorated also for civilian merits.Best regardsChristianHi Christian,Ed is right about the ribbon. And on his site, Igor says : "Comes on generic ribbon, often used by Afghan medal recipients for all occasions. /See "State Awards of Afghanistan", p.40/".The ribbon, as the colours of the medal, match well... because these are the colors of the Afghan flag !!! Cheers.Ch.
Guest RedThreat Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 Marshal Ahromeev became HSU in 1982 shortly after returning from a trip to Afghanistan. By decree, the title was bestowed for "courage and skillful leadership displayed during the struggle against German-fascist invaders and contribution to training and improvement in combat readiness of troops during post-war period". However, it was understood that the star was given for Afghanistan.
Christian Zulus Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 "courage and skillful leadership displayed during the struggle against German-fascist invaders and contribution to training and improvement in combat readiness of troops during post-war period".Nice citation for a post-war Soviet General But for the second half of the citation a Motherland would have been enough .The Soviet authorities were sooooo reluctant to write the truth, like:"courage and skillfull leadership displayed during the struggle against US-aggressors ..." Akhromeev lost his life after august 1991: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_AkhromeyevBest regardsChristian
Dave Danner Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 A reasonable surmise that one or more of the decorations hidden under this Spetsnaz general's jacket are from Afghanistan, but I can't even recall his name.
Ed_Haynes Posted November 6, 2006 Author Posted November 6, 2006 Fascinating photo - a jacket I want to pull back! Though he is a RUSSIAN, not SOVIET hero?!Not like this double:
Dave Danner Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Fascinating photo - a jacket I want to pull back! Though he is a RUSSIAN, not SOVIET hero?!Not like this double:Looks like the top ribbon on the ribbon bar is all red. Unless there's some RF award that ranks higher than the Order of the Red Banner that's all red, I think that is a HSU worn as a ribbon. So with the Red Banner and several others, he is both a Soviet and Russian Federation veteran. A serving officer probably has less discretion to wear the Soviet star, notwithstanding the tunic display, but could wear it as a ribbon. These three are at the other end of the hierarchy of awards, but they're real soldiers who probably felt they earned them. Viktor Krasyukov, Aleksandr Simonenko and Viktor Dubinin:
Ed_Haynes Posted November 7, 2006 Author Posted November 7, 2006 Some interesting Soviet Afghan stuff on exhibition in Copenhagen in 2005.See http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7393&st=11 and following posts.
Dave Danner Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 More bad '80s European new wave bands... sorry, Spetsnaz soldiers in their Sunday best:
Dave Danner Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) Names and faces to add to the list.Vasilii Cheboksarov (Василий Чебоксаров) on the left and Yaroslav Goroshko (Ярослав Горошко) on the right. Goroshko appears to be a captain. Cheboksarov I'm not sure - possibly a major, but maybe a lieutenant. Both were with the 186th Spetsnaz Group. Edited November 7, 2006 by Dave Danner
Dave Danner Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Yurii Durnev (Юрий Дурнев), top kick of 1st Company, 154th Spetsnaz Group. Rank is Senior Warrant Officer (Старший прапорщик).
Dave Danner Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Gravestone of Mikhailo Mocherniuk (Михайло Мочернюк), also of 154th Spetsnaz Group. Looks like a Red Banner, possibly posthumous.
Dave Danner Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Gravestone of Vasilii Kovalenko, also of 154th Spetsnaz Group.
David Gregory Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Yurii Durnev (Юрий Дурнев), top kick of 1st Company, 154th Spetsnaz Group. Rank is Senior Warrant Officer (Старший прапорщик).Dave,That qualifies as a good thousand yard stare.Where did you find all these great Spetsnaz images?David
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