Daniel Cole Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 Can someone ell me the difference between these two ribbons on this decoration. My relative was awarded one in WWI and the museum where it resides has the wrong ribbon on it. (They have an italian war medal ribbon). I want to get the correct one. It looks like in the black and white photos it the tricoilred ribbon.ThanksDan Cole
Kev in Deva Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 (edited) Can someone ell me the difference between these two ribbons on this decoration. My relative was awarded one in WWI and the museum where it resides has the wrong ribbon on it. (They have an italian war medal ribbon). I want to get the correct one. It looks like in the black and white photos it the tricoilred ribbon.ThanksDan ColeHallo Dan, I have seen the red, blue, white in broad stripes ribbon used on quite a few Serbian medals, and I begin to suspect this ribbon is readly available to be added to Serbian medals with no ribbons, the colours being the national ones of Serbia, there was a ribbon on Serbian medals which looked like the Italian one, but with thin stripes of red, white and blue.I have seen one before with the red and white ribbon similar to your picture and one on a bar with another type ribbon, which I believe to be the correct ribbon. I attach pictures from my photo reference file.As for the red and white ribbon maybe an award to a Non-Combatant? for bravery. Edited December 8, 2006 by Kev in Deva
Dave Danner Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 Hallo Dan, I have seen the red, blue, white in broad stripes ribbon used on quite a few Serbian medals, and I begin to suspect this ribbon is readly available to be added to Serbian medals with no ribbons, the colours being the national ones of Serbia, there was a ribbon on Serbian medals which looked like the Italian one, but with thin stripes of red, white and blue.Montenegro is not Serbia. Its national colors were also red, blue and white, however.The white ribbon with the red edge stripes is the ribbon of the Order of Danilo, which was used for various Montenegrin decorations. I'm not sure if it could be used for the Bravery Medal, as my reference book on Montenegrin awards is at home.
leigh kitchen Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 I may be wrong, but I understand the Red white & blue ribbon to have been used on most WWI awrded medals rather than their own unique ribbons - so I think the use of this ribbon denotes a WWI issue medal.
Kev in Deva Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 Montenegro is not Serbia. Its national colors were also red, blue and white, however.The white ribbon with the red edge stripes is the ribbon of the Order of Danilo, which was used for various Montenegrin decorations. I'm not sure if it could be used for the Bravery Medal, as my reference book on Montenegrin awards is at home.Hallo Dave, sorry for the mix up with regards Serbia-Montenegro but on the medal bar picture I posted the last award is it the same one as Danial Cole posted at the start of the thread??Kevin in Deva
Dave Danner Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 Hallo Dave, sorry for the mix up with regards Serbia-Montenegro but on the medal bar picture I posted the last award is it the same one as Danial Cole posted at the start of the thread??Kevin in Deva No, the one you show is white with two red edge stripes. The Danilo ribbon, as shown on the pic in Daniel's post, had red stripes near the edge , but the narrow white border stripe. I'm not sure if the one you show might be a correct ribbon and the Danilo ribbon was used as a "close enough".
Daniel Cole Posted December 8, 2006 Author Posted December 8, 2006 My actual medal is the white ribbon with red stripes and a white stripe on the edge. So it is: white, red, white, red, white. Same as in the first photo. I nabbed that photo from a site because it showed the two medals with ribbons side by side to illustrate my question.Dan
Dave Danner Posted December 9, 2006 Posted December 9, 2006 This is my Danilo:My Montenegrin 1910 50th Anniversary Medal has the red-blue-white ribbon, though I honestly don't know if that is right:
leigh kitchen Posted December 10, 2006 Posted December 10, 2006 I still have the idea that this red blue & white ribbon is a war ribbon, used on many different medals awarded during WWI, I just do'nt know where I would have found that info..........................
Daniel Cole Posted December 10, 2006 Author Posted December 10, 2006 (edited) I think the won awarded to my cousin Thomas Croft Neibaur is the tri colored one. I know this picture isn't the best,The medals in order are French - Croix de Guerre, Legion of Honor, USA - Medal of Honor, Italian - Croce di Merito, Montenegro - Silver Bravery medal.Dan Edited December 10, 2006 by Daniel Cole
Dave Danner Posted December 11, 2006 Posted December 11, 2006 (edited) My references don't help. They only cover Serbia and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. I would note, however, that the Serbian Silver Bravery Medal had the red-blue-white ribbon (the Gold Bravery Medal had the all-red ribbon, same as the Milosh Oblich Bravery Medal).To add to the Neibaur pic Daniel posted, note that in the high-res pic of Gen. Lemuel Shepherd here, the ribbon for his Montenegrin Silver Bravery Medal, which for some reason has a palms device and comes after his French Crix de Guerre ribbon, appears also to be the red-blue-white ribbon. Edited December 11, 2006 by Dave Danner
Igor Ostapenko Posted December 11, 2006 Posted December 11, 2006 My Montenegrin http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6396 and Serbian http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9479 medals .
Yankee Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 HelloHope not to complicate the ribbon issue, can add another to the list.In the picture is an early bravery medal with the orginal St.George & St.Andrew ribbon. On the rim is a hallmark in cyrillic. Russians did participate in the war, surely awarded to a Russian. The medal itself is well executed.
Daniel Cole Posted March 31, 2007 Author Posted March 31, 2007 Here's my newest addition, an almost mint Silver Bravery Medal. Compare to my older one which is well worn. Anyone have a listing of the all the US recipients in WWI? There were aabout 96ish.Dan
hipnos Posted February 13, 2008 Posted February 13, 2008 Hello!!! I?m a newcomer in this forum. I?m from Spain, and I?m interested in Balkan?s country medals.The reference book I more trusted is the Romanov?s one...and the Silver bravery medal, (I owned one), is with the white - with red ribbon.
Igor Ostapenko Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 interesting medal - hallmark " Ц " together with austrian "VM" medal
Yankee Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Hi IgorPost 13 has an identical hallmark to yours. The hallmark is for the letter C for Cetinje the old capital of Montenegro. They were manufactured for the war of 1877 from Italian dies with superb details. Hard to find
Igor Ostapenko Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Hi, do you sure about "Italian dies" ? Regards, Igor
Yankee Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Hi IgorI believe so but not 100% certain. They were struck in Centinje. Just how many were issued and other firms involved have not any clue.SincerelyBrian
paja Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Greetings,Machine for production of medals and dies were ordered from Naples. They arrived to Cetinje in June 1841. and the production began same month. First ribbon that was used was red, blue and white. White one with red stripes on edges came to use somewhere between 1889 and 1897, most probably in 1895 when Medal of Zeal with same ribbon was introduced. There are also authors who think the change came in 1910.Information found in "Montenegrin decorations" by Milan Jovićević.
Igor Ostapenko Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 Thank you , very interesting !!! p.s. I need this book
paja Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) Golden Sliver Bravery Medal? Any ideas about this one? LINK Description:Medal in bronze and fire gilded, 36.6mm, unmarked, but of typical WW1 period French manufacture (maker is unknown), in near mint condition, rare. Footnote: this medal is issued officially in silver only, this being possibly a trial piece. Edited February 11, 2017 by paja
paja Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 I have no idea, "trial piece" doesn't sound very likely to me, what trial 70 years after institution? Maybe if there was an idea of instituting golden class of this medal during WW1, but I haven't heard of it before. So, a factory mistake?
paul wood Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 A private manufacture to match a gold Serbian Milosh Obolich? Paul
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