Soviet Help!

[usairforce]

This ORB is rare??

Edited January 5, 2007 by usairforce

[usairforce]

HELP !!!

Edited January 5, 2007 by usairforce

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[Riley1965]

The first and most visible problem is that it was a screwpost converted to a suspension. I also have a problem with the serial number .

Doc

[usairforce]

I agree with your point of view

[usairforce]

Some people can tell me if this is correct?

[Mondvor]

This is a 100% original screwback Red Banner issued from second half of 1942 to first months of 1943. It is a pity that it was converted to suspension by the owner, but still should be an excellent specimen to research. Good luck!

[lentiay]

good Red Banner!

[NavyFCO]

Nice! I'd buy it if the price were right.

Dave

[Ed_Haynes]

Since the conversion was required by change in regulations, I'd not shed too many tears over the conversion. In some ways, more authentic than one changed back only for the collector market?

[usairforce]

This is a 100% original screwback Red Banner issued from second half of 1942 to first months of 1943. It is a pity that it was converted to suspension by the owner, but still should be an excellent specimen to research. Good luck!

Thank you Mondvor.

This is order ower change in the late , but i think this change is in accordance with national regulations .

[usairforce]

I find others like this ORB changde by ower.

[usairforce]

Another

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Another

[lentiay]

I have here such duplicate, is given out instead of screw.

[Mondvor]

Actually, the orders from posts 16 and 17 are official Mint conversions, so-called "swallow tails". When the Decree from June 1943 about "the new regulations concerning orders description" came out, several hundreds of screwback RBs were kept in "award department" of Presidium of the Soviet Union. They were ready to be sent to the army units for their cavaliers. However, after this Decree came out, they were all returned to the Mint and converted to suspension.

The order from post 15 is a cavalier's conversion. I have pictures of different types of conversions made by cavaliers. If somebody is interested, I can post them later at the day.

[Gerd Becker]

Actually, the orders from posts 16 and 17 are official Mint conversions, so-called "swallow tails". When the Decree from June 1943 about "the new regulations concerning orders description" came out, several hundreds of screwback RBs were kept in "award department" of Presidium of the Soviet Union. They were ready to be sent to the army units for their cavaliers. However, after this Decree came out, they were all returned to the Mint and converted to suspension.

The order from post 15 is a cavalier's conversion. I have pictures of different types of conversions made by cavaliers. If somebody is interested, I can post them later at the day.

Yes, please post the conversions, Andrei. I am interested.

Gerd

[Guest Rick Research]

One recipient-conversion is in the Reserached Forum-- see the Grebennik thread.

[usairforce]

Yes, please post the conversions, Andrei. I am interested.

Gerd

Me too, thank you.

[Mondvor]

This one is a most common way of conversion. Some detail with a hole or ring in its upper part was soldered to the reverse of the order.

Edited January 6, 2007 by Mondvor

[Mondvor]

Another example...

[Mondvor]

Sometimes, the metal part soldered not to the reverse of the order, but to the very thin surface of the upper border of the order, just on top of red banner. It was a metal stripe with previously soldered ring. Orders with this type of conversion look very neat.