usairforce Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 (edited) This ORB is rare?? Edited January 5, 2007 by usairforce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usairforce Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 (edited) HELP !!! Edited January 5, 2007 by usairforce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Riley1965 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 The first and most visible problem is that it was a screwpost converted to a suspension. I also have a problem with the serial number . Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usairforce Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 I agree with your point of view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usairforce Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 Some people can tell me if this is correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 This is a 100% original screwback Red Banner issued from second half of 1942 to first months of 1943. It is a pity that it was converted to suspension by the owner, but still should be an excellent specimen to research. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lentiay Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 good Red Banner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Nice! I'd buy it if the price were right.Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Since the conversion was required by change in regulations, I'd not shed too many tears over the conversion. In some ways, more authentic than one changed back only for the collector market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usairforce Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 This is a 100% original screwback Red Banner issued from second half of 1942 to first months of 1943. It is a pity that it was converted to suspension by the owner, but still should be an excellent specimen to research. Good luck!Thank you Mondvor.This is order ower change in the late , but i think this change is in accordance with national regulations . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usairforce Posted January 5, 2007 Author Share Posted January 5, 2007 I find others like this ORB changde by ower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lentiay Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I have here such duplicate, is given out instead of screw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Actually, the orders from posts 16 and 17 are official Mint conversions, so-called "swallow tails". When the Decree from June 1943 about "the new regulations concerning orders description" came out, several hundreds of screwback RBs were kept in "award department" of Presidium of the Soviet Union. They were ready to be sent to the army units for their cavaliers. However, after this Decree came out, they were all returned to the Mint and converted to suspension.The order from post 15 is a cavalier's conversion. I have pictures of different types of conversions made by cavaliers. If somebody is interested, I can post them later at the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Actually, the orders from posts 16 and 17 are official Mint conversions, so-called "swallow tails". When the Decree from June 1943 about "the new regulations concerning orders description" came out, several hundreds of screwback RBs were kept in "award department" of Presidium of the Soviet Union. They were ready to be sent to the army units for their cavaliers. However, after this Decree came out, they were all returned to the Mint and converted to suspension.The order from post 15 is a cavalier's conversion. I have pictures of different types of conversions made by cavaliers. If somebody is interested, I can post them later at the day.Yes, please post the conversions, Andrei. I am interested.Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 One recipient-conversion is in the Reserached Forum-- see the Grebennik thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usairforce Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Yes, please post the conversions, Andrei. I am interested.GerdMe too, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 (edited) This one is a most common way of conversion. Some detail with a hole or ring in its upper part was soldered to the reverse of the order. Edited January 6, 2007 by Mondvor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Another example... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Sometimes, the metal part soldered not to the reverse of the order, but to the very thin surface of the upper border of the order, just on top of red banner. It was a metal stripe with previously soldered ring. Orders with this type of conversion look very neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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