Sachsen-Meiningen, WWI medal bars with SMK

[saschaw]

As I said in the other thread, I've forgotten two bars: Firstly, the 8 place medal bar with the Merit Order for Women and Young Ladies of Wilhelm Emil Richter (1852-1936):

 

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by saschaw

[Guest Rick Research]

#20 was Generalmajor (1.4.34 #6) Heinrich H?ring

born 29.3.83 Neresheim, W?rttemberg, died when his plane smashed into the Schneeberg in the Fichtelgebirge on 30.4.35 when he was ArKo III.

HHOX gazetted 1.11.17

WM3 27.9.15 as "Hptm iG, K?nigsberg"

WF3aX 16.3.17 as Hptm iG, 12. ID

SA3aX 12.5.16 as Hptm iG Armeegruppe Mitau

MK2

BrK

HH

SMK 26.6.18 as Hptm iG 12. ID

(Not being worn here "all German" but on a bar in a photo of him: ?M3K gazetted 18.4.18)

So that combines the rolls Daniel is slaving over with mine-- a "twofer."

ONE down.

I won't do the unknowns. If anyone here owns any of them, let me know. This is free for friends but not for strangers. Not enough time in my day and since I do not charge by the hour, my limited time is more valuable to me than anybody else.

Sascha's bar with the BZ3bXmE, HT and MK2 does not immediately leap out at me, since this Hauptmann/Rittmeister ended his military career with the war, but with the aid and computer assistance of Daniel who has Magic Powers I do not, that one too will fall to the Stubby Fingered Roll Transcribers.

[Brian R]

Rick-

Here is a bar you saw a while back - my absolute favorite in my collection. Perhaps it is finally time to figure this guy out. Probably one of the 377 Dr types (on combatant ribbon) you spoke of in the "Sachsen-Meiningen Unpublished Award Rolls 1914-1918" thread. No LS ribbon and no Prussian Red Cross Medal - probably a Reservist. I wonder how he did with those Slovakian forces on the Russian Front in WWII...

Edited January 26, 2007 by Brian R

[Guest Rick Research]

Hmmm. An underaged semi-trained Feldhilsarzt, methinks. I'll be back.

Alas no. 10 Feldhilfs?rzte, and 39 Assistenz?rzte (can't have been higher since the Schwarzburg medal is for ENLISTED ranks) but I could not find anybody with an SMK in or from a HESSIAN unit. So that one is going to require the I've heard they are Out There SCHWARZBURG rolls.

I'm guessing a Warrant Officer level medical student from the Hessian cross combined with the Schwarzburg medal.

So maybe in 2008.

[Guest Rick Research]

#21 is

Curt/Kurt Erwin Franz Gustav Treitschke

Lt 25.6.93

Oberlt 29.3.00

Hptm 11.12.06

Major ernannt 17.7.14 Patentiert 19.8.14

char. Oberstleutnant aD 21.5.20 (aD 31.3.20)

HHOX: gazetted 19.10.18

SV3aX: 29.12.16 M "F?hrer Vermessungsabt 12"

SA3aX: 18.6.15 M "Abt Landesaufnahme"

BMV4XmKr 28.4.16 M (prewar unit on Bavarian gazette entries)

SMK 11,8,15 M "iG 2. Armee"

HSH2bX 30.11.14 from Coburg, M "iG Et Insp 3" gazetted 10.2.15

HH

?M3K and

TH at this time award dates unknown

Peacetime--

PrRAO4 19.9.12

HSH3b 26.2.07 (I don't know which one-- I only have rolls from 1911 on)

There is no Saxon long service award on here, so I bet the cheapo removed it to put the Hindenburg Cross in. That Ernestine after it shouldn't have swords as the pre-war Knight 2nd. (I think he could have kept that "legally" since his wartime Commander was TWO grades up).

Per Roth

17.7.14 Vorstand GS Abteilung f?r Landesaufnahme

Feb '15 General Staff Etappen Inspektion 3rd Army

June 1915 to April 1916 back to Landesaufnahem (note unit for SMK !)

December 1916 Commander Vermessungsabteilung 12

"14-18" Commander of Vermessungs Stab Oberkommando Heeresgruppe von Mackensen

[Deruelle]

Many thanks Rick

Regards

Christophe

[Guest Rick Research]

Forgot to verify that I have indeed struck out with my own "Stracke" above-- not on the SMK roll. That is what is so about ribbon bars, when those two Waldeck ribbons could be four different grades. I am assuming that ONE of them HAS to be a WV4X since I can't imagine two while still an NCO and THEN an HHOX without anything officer class from the home state.

Da woik nevuh ends!

[Brian R]

Thank Rick - at least ID is a little closer than before - one of 50 as opposed to hundreds.

Hmmm. An underaged semi-trained Feldhilsarzt, methinks. I'll be back.

Alas no. 10 Feldhilfs?rzte, and 39 Assistenz?rzte (can't have been higher since the Schwarzburg medal is for ENLISTED ranks) but I could not find anybody with an SMK in or from a HESSIAN unit. So that one is going to require the I've heard they are Out There SCHWARZBURG rolls.

I'm guessing a Warrant Officer level medical student from the Hessian cross combined with the Schwarzburg medal.

So maybe in 2008.

[saschaw]

This nice bar I buyed some days ago, but it doesn't fit 100% into my collection.

 

5er Feldspange Sachsen-Meiningen und Türkei, mit:

 

- Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 1914 II. Klasse;

- Sachsen-Meiningen, Ehrenzeichen für Verdienst im Kriege;

- Osmanisches Reich, Kriegsmedaille;

- Osmanisches Reich, Medjidie-Orden oder Lyakat-Medaille;

- Dt. Reich, Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (swords upside-down).

 

If someone wanted it, he might PM me.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by saschaw

[saschaw]

And its reverse: without any backing, but with a safety-pin.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by saschaw

[Guest Rick Research]

This one has been a long time, but finally able to ID it for David (whose inbox is full so no messages can be left):

Ludwig MEYER

born Papenberg 24 January 1860

Secondelieutenant 16.9.81

Premierlieutenant

Hauptmann

Major 18.5.07 V2v

Oberstleutnant 1.10.13 Yy

Oberst 27.1.16 R

In Pio Bn 17 (Orders Almanac entry 1908/09)

Staff of 1st Engineer Inspection,

when the war started, on staff of the Engineer Committee in Berlin.

BMV3X 6.7.15

SMK 30.8.16 as "active LtCol, Staff Officer of the Engineer and Pioneer Corps Army High Command 2nd Army"

as "General der Pioniere 15" (title, not rank) invalided out of the Champagne front sick 14.4.17,

died in Wiesbaden 16 September 1918.

[Glenn J]

Rick,

something regarding the early career of Oberst Meyer:

Ludwig Arnold Ludolf Meyer, born 24 Jan 1860 at Papenburg in Hannover, Lutheran.

Father: Friedrich, Amtsassessor - died 13.7.67 at Uslar

Mother: Emma ne? Brunjes

Educated at the Trade School in Hildesheim and Realschule at Osterode.

Entered Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 10 on 4.3.80.

23.08.80: Gefreiter

19.09.80: Unteroffizier

16.11.80: Portepee-F?hnrich

18.10.81: Supernumery Sekonde-Lieutanant in the 4. Ingenieur-Inspektion

17.05.84: Transfered to Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 10

17.04.88: Transfered to the 2. Ingenieur-Inspektion

22.03.91: Premier-Lieutenant

18.10.92: Transfered to Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 9

14.10.95: Transfered to the 3. Ingenieur-Inspektion and to the K?ln Fortifikations

27.01.96: Hauptmann

27.01.98: Appointed Company Commander in Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 2

18.02.02: Transfered to the 2. Ingenieur-Inspektion and to Metz Fortifikations

14.02.03: Transfered to the Diedehofen Fortifikations

27.01.04: Attached for service on the Engineer Committee

24.04.04: Assigned as a member of the Engineer Committee

18.05.07: Supernumery Major

20.07.07: Transfered to the staff of Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 17

01.10.08: Transfered to the 2. Ingenieur-Inspektion and appointed as "Ingenieur-Offizier vom Platz" at Marienburg

Regards

Glenn

[Guest Rick Research]

Thanks Glenn! Can't get any more complete than THAT!

In 1913 he was The "Platz" Engineer on the island of Helgoland.

Now to attract the attention of the owner who has let his message bin fill up!

[David S]

Thanks Rick !!!!

Your talents never cease to amaze me !!!!

That makes three with names Niemeyer - Wambold - Meyer

[Glenn J]

Rick,

In 1913 he was The "Platz" Engineer on the island of Helgoland.

He was transfered as the "Platz" Engineer on the island of Helgoland on 1 August 1911 with a simultaneous subordination to the 1. Ingenieur-Inspektion. His final prewar transfer to the staff of the Engineer Committee in Berlin was on 20 November 1913.

Regards

Glenn

[Ulsterman]

Is Treitschke the map guy?

[Guest Rick Research]

Yup