Friedrich von Marschall

[David M]

Dear Gents!

Would there be a way to find out the orders and decorations of:

4f. Friedrich von Marschall, geboren Spangenberg 26.12.1878, 1915 Oberleutnant der Landwehr J?ger I, kgl. preuss. Hauptmann a.D., verstorben Marburg 16.12.1949,

my interest is purely genealogical, his mother was a born M?ldner von M?lnheim

I would also like to know the exact information about his promotion in 1915 (date e.g.)

Thanks so much!

David

[Lenni72]

Dear David,

I read your post while doing some research. I have some pieces from Friedrich von Marschall's estate. I'm attaching a few snapshots with information. I hope it helps you a little.

Best regards Lenni

 

 

 

PS: my picture is of the father ...

[David M]

How interesting! How did you get by them? Are you related?

[GreyC]

Hi,

I found this from the Stammliste of the Kurhessisches Jäger Bataillon 11:

 

GreyC

[Deutschritter]

This is a very interesting, albeit old post ... the painting states, he left behind three children from the first marriage, but he had six children alltogether. His first Friedrich, Friedrich IV. von Marschall, died three months after birth. His second Friedrich and sixth child was Hauptmann a. D. Karl August Friedrich V. von Marschall (retired in 1910/11 as Oberleutnant and the right to wear the uniform). Friedrich V. married 1910: Three daughters and son Heinrich Viktor Friedrich (b. 1920).

 

I love the painting of the father! Do you have a close up, Lenni72? Thanks! What is the order to the right of the Red Eagle Orden? Something from Hessen-Kassel? 

Edited November 21, 2024 by Deutschritter

[GreyC]

3 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

I love the painting of the father!

It could have well been painted from a photograph as the original image.

GreyC

[David M]

10 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

This is a very interesting, albeit old post ... the painting states, he left behind three children from the first marriage, but he had six children alltogether. His first Friedrich, Friedrich IV. von Marschall, died three months after birth. His second Friedrich and sixth child was Hauptmann a. D. Karl August Friedrich V. von Marschall (retired in 1910/11 as Oberleutnant and the right to wear the uniform). Friedrich V. married 1910: Three daughters and son Heinrich Viktor Friedrich (b. 1920).

 

I love the painting of the father! Do you have a close up, Lenni72? Thanks! What is the order to the right of the Red Eagle Orden? Something from Hessen-Kassel? 

The story goes there house in Bretterode was badly insolated or very humid and thats the reason half the kids did.not make it. I met HVF (last of the original line of his family) 25 years ago, very kind old man who I am sure is no longer with us. The story of his family is one starting off so long ago and producing so many military officers, a.o. an Oberst and Cavalrycommander during the 1813-1815 wars.

Edited November 22, 2024 by David M

[Deutschritter]

Friedrich von Marschall was Oberförster (senior forester) in Brotterode (Kreis Schmalkalden), later Forstmeister (master forester) in Spangenberg; as such, he was a member of the "Association for Hessian History and Regional Studies" (Verein für hessische Geschichte und Landeskunde). He also served as the Polizeianwalt (police lawyer) with the Brotterode District Court.

 

Friedrich (III.) von Marschall came from the House of Dannheim-Wülfershausen. His parents were Electoral Hesse Lieutenant Colonel Karl Heinrich von Marschall (1798–1879) and his wife (∞ 1824) Amalie von Hesberg (1796–1848). His paternal grandfather was cavalry officer August Ludwig Ernst Friedrich von Marschall (1759–1843), Lieutenant General of the Hesse-Kassel Army and governor of Cassel.

 

His great-grandfather was Hesse-Cassel Major General Friedrich Ernst August von Marschall, knight of the Pour la Vertu Militaire (5 June 1770), the high military order of merit established on 25 February 1769 by Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel. Friedrich's uncle Friedrich "Fritz" August Ernst von Marschall (1793–1812) was KIA (⚔) during the retreat in Russia as a 1st Lieutenant of the 1. Westfälisches Kürassier-Regiment (Kingdom of Westphalia) which was forced to fight for Napoleon during his Russian campaign.

 

On 21 July 1866 in Rotenburg, von Marschall married his fiancée Julie Caroline Helene Elisabeth Wilhelmine Emma Amalie Adelheid Mathilde Emilie Müldner von Mülnheim (b. 10 November 1845 in Nentershausen; d. 17 October 1879 in Spangenberg). The couple would have six children:

 

Hedwig (b. 2 January 1868 in Brotterode; d. 5 January 1868 ibid)

Hans (b. 22 March 1869 in Brotterode; d. 25 October 1869 ibid)

Friedrich [IV.] (b. 3. August 1870 in Brotterode; d. 3 November 1870 ibid)

Eva (b. 20 October 1871 in Brotterode)

Elisabeth (b. 25 April 1875 in Spangenberg)

Karl August Friedrich [V.] (b. 26 December 1878 in Spangenberg; d. 16 December 1949 in Marburg)

 

On 12 January 1884, widower von Marschall married his sister-in-law Wilhelmine Emma Amalie Adelheid Mathilde Emilie Wilhelmine Emma Amalie Adelheid "Adele" Mathilde Emilie Müldner von Mülnheim (b. 29 January 1848 in Nentershausen; d. 25 January 1926 in Spangenberg). It was a platonic marriage of convenience. Adele, who had been caring for the children since her sister's death, became a loving mother for the children.

[David M]

Would love to know the source you used especially the last sentence.

[David M]

On 21/11/2024 at 21:47, Deutschritter said:

 

 

I love the painting of the father! Do you have a close up, Lenni72? Thanks! What is the order to the right of the Red Eagle Orden? Something from Hessen-Kassel? 

Thats the SEHO3

[Deutschritter]

13 hours ago, David M said:

Would love to know the source you used especially the last sentence.

Translated from personal information from a German author with genealogical knowledge. However, I did not ask him in detail how he came to this conclusion; I assumed that if he stated it in this way, it must be correct. He also told me wife Amalie Christiane Karoline von Hesberg (1796–1848) was the daughter and 11th child of Hesse-Cassel Captain Ernst Ludwig von Hesberg as well as aunt of Royal Prussian General der Kavalerie Louis Otto Ernst Georg Friedrich von Hesberg (1824–1909) whom I had never heard of before. Would love to see a picture of him. 

Edited Monday at 17:56 by Deutschritter

[Deutschritter]

12 hours ago, David M said:

Thats the SEHO3

Thank you, that is great. I would say II. Class, but hard to tell. Is it a bit strange that he is not wearing any decoration of Hesse-Cassel? Or is that due to the fact that Brotterode and Spangenberg belonged to the Prussian Province of Hesse-Nassau as of 1866/68? 

Edited Monday at 18:00 by Deutschritter

[David M]

Very sparsely awarded. Not often to men of his rank. Remember he was 35 in 1866. A bit young to have been already decorated. At least to kurhess. standards