Wuertemburg GMMM

[dond]

I would like some opions on this bar, especially the GMMM please. It is lashed down securely to the bar (as are all the medals) so I can't tell if the ring is marked. Nothing glows under blacklight.

thanks in advance.

[dond]

The reverse.

[dond]

The GMMM. Is it gold or isn't it?

[dond]

The reverse of the GMMM.

[Stogieman]

Hi Don, as I said.. there's really no way this can be determined by a photo. You need weight and to check the ring (?se) for marks. If there are no marks on the medal suspension, then you must check the weight. They come in these variations:

Unmarked, real gold:

22K

18K

Marked 333, real gold:

8K

Gold ones will weigh about 15 grams.

Silver Gilt ones will weigh substantially less, about 13 Grams

Here's a better idea of the color a real gold one should be...

[Stogieman]

The other really troubling factor is the lack of the wreath mounted on the bar itself... While not 100% positive indication, it's a good clue as to whether the bar really came that way.

[Claudius]

Are the rolls on the GMMM completed?

[Steve Russell]

Don,

I like it. Great shape and even wear on the medals around the ribbons on the back side. Well stored it looks like. Here is a pic of another GMMM on a bar without wreath. Can't remember where it came from. Steve

[Stogieman]

The medal in Steve's example does not look like a real gold medal, probably a silver-gilt. Again, these are pieces you need in hand, or way better photos before anything can be determined.

[Steve Russell]

That was my thinking too on the gold GMMM in that example. Thought it might add to the wreath discussion though as it looks to be a legit bar. I would love to post bigger pics, but have been sentenced to perpetual probationary membership I suppose. Limits me to 65k pics. Thanks, Steve

[Stogieman]

Hi Steve, I'd like to see bigger photos as well. The ribbon for the "gold" one looks like it was added after the fact and the stitching of the backing in that area looks different as well. Note the ribbons hang off one end of the bar, but not the other. Also, since it appears the "gold" one is loose (??), why not take it out, check for maker content marks and get it weighed? Then you'll know for sure!

[Steve Russell]

Good eye Stogie on the center ribbon stitching. Didn't catch that before. I wish I could provide larger pics but two problems: 1) I have no idea who the bar belongs to. Stored the pics a long time ago and forgot where it came from. and 2) Even if it were available to me, I can't post anything larger than 65k because I am still 'probationary.' Not sure why and I found no info on how to overcome the status. Thanks! Steve

[dond]

Here are some markings on a GMMM I have been offered. It has supposedly been tested and found to be better than 333 Gold.

Thoughts?

[dond]

Anybody have an opinion or perhaps a pic of what the mark should look like?

thanks in advance.

[JensF.]

Your medal even looks a little bit like bronze gilt.

[Wild Card]

Anybody have an opinion or perhaps a pic of what the mark should look like?

thanks in advance.

Here is the best that I can offer.

[dond]

Thanks for the replies.

[Ralph A]

If you have a real gold one, there's usually no doubt. It has a certain "look, sheen and feel" ...sort of like having a Sovereign in hand. Clink clink.

- Scrooge McDuck

[dond]

Thanks Ralph.

[dond]

How about this one? Weight is 13.4 gm. Marked 333 on the ring.

[dond]

The scanner makes it appear more bronzish than it is in hand.

[saschaw]

Seems good to me. The 333 "Gold" used in 1918 was that bad that is was necessary to gilt the medals with fine gold, so they might look almost like gilt copper ...

[dond]

Thanks.

[dond]

This is for Chris because I know he likes stuff like this: