Christian L Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 As the colonial sector was more or less calm the last time for me and i had a little spare time i went today to a dealer in my area with the hope to spend some money And this is what i purchased from Uwe Bretzendorfer With the 3 inofficial ones its a real TREASURE!Never seen a bar with 3 inofficial clasps and in such a well made quality - increadible!And i guess a very good start into the various official and better inoffical clasps of the 1870/71 medal.I guess you can imagine who good i feel at the moment Hope you like it as well. Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Can you tell from those unauthorized ones what the man's regiment would have been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Tolle Spange, Christian, ich gratuliere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 WOW baby.....!!!!! Christian, I am in the battle clasps for some years now..... but the last two are really new for me, I have seen them never before!!!GREAT FIND!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Is it my eyes? The bottom three seem to have aged very differently from the top two.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Stogie - Being 2 ?official? vs. 3 ?unofficial?, I suspect that the composition (alloy) of the two different types would not be the same - hence, they would age differently. No?Christian - Best wishes,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Yes, different metals will age differently. To my eyes, the bottom 3 bars look like they were added after the fact. look closely at the pebbled background of the top 2, then the bottom 3.... Look at the age, staining, dirt in the top 2... nothing visible like that on the bottom 3 from this photo. Looks very odd to me to have that kind of difference.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 yes the bars look different..... but every one of the 5 bars looks good and original old for me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph A Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Reverse, please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Exactly, they will age differently.... but why would they acquire dirt, dust and patina differently? I have no dispute with authenticity of the bars, that's not my area of debate. My concern is: to my eyes, these bars have not been on this bar, handled, stored and worn at the same time. If they were, then why is there no dirt, dust, grime, grease, whatever on the 3 lower bars in the same places as the two upper bars??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 maybe the inofficial ones were added by the owner some years after the official ones... and maybe he did not wear the bar often after adding the 3 more bars... Christian, can you see the prongs on the back of the clasps? What do they look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian L Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Thanks a lot!!!I think its possible, at least i try it (it can take a little, but in the end i'm sure i'll have a unit).Yes, they look different, but all together look a little "worn" on the hights (and as some high positions, which are lower than others, have no worn off gilding i'd say its because the usual wearing caused it that only the highest parts got worn off). The metal is different as the worn off parts on the inofficial and the official ones doesn't match to 100% - so like Wild Card said its a different alloy used for them.The prongs are flat - similar to official ones.And as the ribbon and the sewing covers some prongs totally or partitially (and the ribbon is very taut) i'm sure they where not added later. Another reason is, at least i think, that if he had only the official ones first, he would have them put into the middle and not on the top - as this would be more estheticaly.On the clasps (official and inofficial ones) there is no dirt nor rust - just different alloy (which reacted different during the time due to its content materials).Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian L Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 And now, a small postcard i was very happy in getting it!Hope you like it as well.Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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