Steve Russell Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 I posted this at the WAF but would value the opinions of the larger Imperial audience here.I bought this cross on eBay and was excited about getting it because from the pics, the crown and letters looked exactly like the late war solid brass pieces. The seller listed it as an 1813 Iron Cross. I thought, well not really, turn it over and there will be the 1914. The ribbon is perfect and original, the ring is soldered and the quality is good for this type of Brass 'Iron' Cross. And the paint is fairly intact. Here is a pic of the obverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Russell Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 What to my confusion when I turned it over and saw this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Russell Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 You're not seeing double. It is the same cross. It is very well made. The reverse looks (both of them!) looks like many of the other brass examples I have seen. My guess is that since these were made late in the war, it was an unintended double strike? Or what? Here are more pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Russell Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 Top detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Russell Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 Bottom detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Russell Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 And the side for the last pic.Measurements are 44mm overall and each arm is 24mm on the edge. Has anyone ever seen one like this? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Russell Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 No comments as to why the double reverses? Thanks, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Hi,is it a one piece cross? If so there cannot be an unintended striking as both sides of the stamp would be different.If the core is 2 seperate very thin brass plates back on back (these exist) then it may be someone mixed up the 2 core plates.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 No comments as to why the double reverses? Thanks, SteveHow does someone comment on this, other than I love it! You are lucky to find this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buellmeister Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) There are two schools of thought on this one. Firstly, It must have either have been made on a Monday or Friday Production. LOL! Or, the cross was a put together in the attempt to deceive as an 1813 for the inexperienced collector. My thought is, looking at the tightness of the frames and the file marks, indicate an honest mistake at the time of production. Regards,Joel Edited February 14, 2007 by buellmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 BUT... how would a regular die allow you to make this error? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buellmeister Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) Chris, Indeed. Not sure after you had mentioned it. The mystery continues I guess..Regards,Joel Edited February 14, 2007 by buellmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) I'm gonna lean towards a two piece item - if you look int he background of post #6 it looks like you can clearly see a seam on the 12 o'clock arm. The end shot also has what appears to be a slight seam on the left side. Monday or Friay cross - thats one of the rare cases in the world where you want to own one of those - definitely not a factor that one looks for in a set of wheels or the coffee maker! Edited February 14, 2007 by hunyadi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph A Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Relevant:http://www.byersnc.com/twoheadedandtwotailedcoins.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Russell Posted February 15, 2007 Author Share Posted February 15, 2007 Thanks guys. It does appear to have seem indentations on the edge of the arms. And after looking at the coin website Ralph . If the cross is only worth a fraction of those modern coin prices, well, maybe paying for the kids' college won't be so hard after all. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 certainly an odd duck!!if this were TR era, i'd be very skeptical, butas a product of the WIDE range of imperialstyles/techniques, i very much like this one!perhaps monday a.m. manufacture is no so far off the mark...joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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