sturm Posted February 24, 2007 Posted February 24, 2007 (edited) hello alldoes anybody knows how much order of the bath (grandcross and kommander cross) went to foreignes peoples in the period 1815-1830 for military honnor( ICH DIEN). does exist a list of this people.i hope someone is able to help me.thank you in advance (sorry for my very bad english!)heinrich Edited February 26, 2007 by Chairman
sturm Posted February 25, 2007 Author Posted February 25, 2007 hellono one has any list or any information?regards heinrich
Lukasz Gaszewski Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 Seems difficult unless someone is deep in the subject.I suggest you should write the Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood. If someone can help, it is certainly them.The address is:CENTRAL CHANCERY OF THE ORDERS OF KNIGHTHOODSt. James's Palace, London SW1 Best regards,Lukasz
Ed_Haynes Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 (edited) That is so early -- in an era that attracts little phaleristic interest -- I'd not be sure where to start. Don't hold you breath for a response from the Chancery though; they have a small staff and are not equipped to do research for people (or even to be open for researchers). The National Archives (PRO) would likely have the sources, but you'd need to do your own work.The order was awarded to foreigners both in single-class and in multi-class (GCB, KCB, CB) varieties. Edited February 25, 2007 by Ed_Haynes
sturm Posted February 26, 2007 Author Posted February 26, 2007 hellothank you for your answers, but i will try to search and find more information.i know that is very early.does someone know how many GCB of the Order of the bath was awarded for the war against napoleon to foreigners? this would help a litlle bid.thanksheinrich
Dave Alexander Posted February 26, 2007 Posted February 26, 2007 Sturm - I have only some small knowledge of this decoration but you may find it helpful. As far as I know the first foreigner to be awarded this was Fursten Dietrichstein zu Nikolsburg und Grafen Alexander Mensdorff-Pouilly in 1869. You will understand these titles, I do not. The Order began in 1725 so it looks as though no memberships were given in Napolean's time. Foreign recipients, by the way, are only given Honorary Membership unless they held a British Military Commission at the time. Since 1869 I think only 5 more have been given. As Lukasz says the Central Chancery may be able to help more.
sturm Posted February 27, 2007 Author Posted February 27, 2007 thank you but it isn't correkt.the first foreigner which i know was:16 August 1814 William Frederick Henry, Prince of Orangemade GCB 2 January 1815 mmmhhhhi seach someone who became the kcb komander cross of the order of the bath on between 1815-1820regrardsheinrich
Dave Alexander Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 You are probably correct, Heinrich, these awards were given primarily for political reasons and I see that William fled to England with his father for many years then returned to Holland. Most probably had some monetary or military backing from England to regain his possessions. I have no knowledge of any other ones at this time, good luck in your search.
sturm Posted March 2, 2007 Author Posted March 2, 2007 hello the second one which i know is ernst august I king of hannover. he became the grand cross in 1815. and several of his kommander generals got it too.i searching one of them.thank you!regardsheinrich
John5813 Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 Not sure if this is the man that your looking for, but Hannoverian General Carl von Alten received the KCB. Additionally, the following also received the Order during this time period:Gebhard von Blucher-GCBMikhail Barclay de Tolly-unknown but believe it would be GCBKarl Ludwig Johan Archduke of Austria-GCBCarl Phillip von Schwarzenburg-GCBJohan von Frimont-GCBCarl Freiherr von Vincent-KCBLudwig Wallmoden-Gimborn-KCBGM von Muffling-KCBJohn
sturm Posted March 4, 2007 Author Posted March 4, 2007 hello john!thank you very much! it helps a lot!!!!!!!!!heinrich
eurorders Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 Greetings, I am a brand new member of this fine forum. I have an interest in finding out if this officer was truly in the rolls as a recipient of the KC Order of Bath in the year bracket shown. I already have his biography. Thanks
peter monahan Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I can only suggest searching the London Gazette. It is available on-line but can be frustrating, as the search engine is not infallible by any means. I took a quick look, but both his surname and forenames are so common as to throw up dozens of [false?] positives in a quick search. A few more details of his biography might help narrow the parameters.
Trooper_D Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, eurorders said: Greetings, I am a brand new member of this fine forum. I have an interest in finding out if this officer was truly in the rolls as a recipient of the KC Order of Bath in the year bracket shown. I already have his biography. Thanks His KCB was gazetted on 22 June 1909 (6th entry down from the top left): https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28263/supplement/4854/data.htm Edited October 9, 2017 by Trooper_D
eurorders Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Sturm, some of these reference books might help. I am doing it the lazy way by copying my library list. Title Author Year Publisher Orders and Decorations of Europe in Color Hieronymussen 1967 MacMillan British Orders and Decorations Risk 1973 Hayward Orders and Decorations Purves 1972 Hamlyn/Sun Books Ephemeral Decorations Gillingham 1935 Amer Numis Soc. Debrett’s Guide to Heraldry and Regalia Williamson 1992 Headline Orders and Medals of Bulgaria Patrov 2000 Voenno Izdatelstvo Book of Orders of Knighthood and Decorations of Honour of All Nations Burke 1858 N&M Press The History of the Order of Bath and Its Insignia Risk 1972 Spink British Orders, Decorations and Medals Hall 1973 Balfour Court Jewelers of the World Jacob 1978 Postgraduate International Catalogue of Military and Naval Campaign Medals and Gallantry Awards 1980 Sothebys Orders, Decorations, and Insignia, Military and Civil Wyllie 1921 Forgotten Books European Orders and Decorations to 1945 Duckers 2007 Shire British Orders and Decorations Duckers 2004 Shire Bulgaria Imperial Orders and Medals 1887-1945 Furlan 1996 Militaria House Parade Medals of the Third Reich Yanacek 2008 Schiffer Book of Orders and Decorations Mericka 1975 Hamlyn Orders and Decorations Mericka 1967 Hamlyn Orders and Decorations of All Nations Ancient and Modern Civil and Military Werlich Second Edition, 1973 & 1990 Quaker Press Spinks Catalogue of British and Associated Orders, Decorations and Medals Joslin 1983 Webb & Bower Imperial Austrian Medals and Decorations Von Falkenstein 1972 -o- private Militaria: A Study of German Helmets & Uniforms 1729-1918 Kube 1990 Schiffer Orders and Decorations of All Nations Werlich 1965 Quaker Press Military Medals & Decorations of the United States and Europe Ball & Peters 1994 Schiffer Medal Yearbook 2004 Mackay & Mussell 2004 Token Publishing Vernon’s Guide to Orders, Medals & Decoration with Valuations Vernon 2000 Self/private The Medal Collectors’ Companion Collecting and Identifying Orders, Medals and Decorations Vernon 1995 Self/private Royal Insignia: British and Foreign Orders of Chivalry from the Royal Collection Patterson 1997, 1998 The Royal Collection Medals Ribbons of Imperial Austria and Germany Neville 1974 Balfour Publications Militaria – Die Militar Dienstzeichen 1849-1989 Steiner 1993 self Deutsche Orden & Ehrenzeichen 1800 – 1945 Nimmergut 2017 Battenberg Bewertung Katalog Deutschland 1871-1945 Orden Und Ehrenzeichen Niemann 2009 Self/private History of the Early Orders of Knighthood & Chivalry Neville 1978 Albemarle 4 volume Borna Barac series called Reference Catalogue Orders, Medals and Decorations of the World instituted until 1945. Borna Barac 2009 through 2013 OBOL Ribbons and Medals Dorling 1974 Philip British and Foreign Orders, War Medals and Decorations Payne 1911, reprinted 1981 Hayward The Queen’s Orders of Chivalry De la Beree 1964 Spring Books The Order of the British Empire Galloway 1996 Stephen Austin and Sons/Spink/Central Chancery of Orders of Knighhood Orders of Knighthood, Awards and the Holy See Cardinale and van Duren 1985 Van Duren The Medals Decorations & Orders of the Great War 1914-1918 Purves 1975 Hayward Royal Orders – The Honours and the Honoured Vickers 1994 Boxtree British Orders & Awards Gordon 1968 Kaye & Ward The European Orders of Chivalry Boalt, et al 1971 Southern Illinois University Press Collecting Medals and Decorations Purves 1968-1978 Hayward A Glossary of Terms Used in Phaleristics – The Science, Study and Collecting of the Insignia of Orders, Decorations, and Medals Laslo 1995 Dorado Publishing Russian Orders, Decorations and Medals Werlich 1981 Quaker Press Knights of Orange: Orders of the Netherlands Ruokonen 2015 Same The German Cavalry from 1871 to 1914 – Uniforms and Equipment Herr and Nguyen 2006 Verlag Militaria Swords of Germany 1900/1945 Angolia 1988 Bender Publishing Spiked Helmets of Imperial Germany Vol. I Infantry Regiments, Pioneer Battalions, General Officers Trawnik 2005 Schiffer Imperial German Edged Weaponry Vol. I Army and Cavalry Johnson, Diehl, & Wittmann 2008 Schiffer Grosser Deutscher Ordenscatalog bis 1918 Graf Klenau 1974 Battenberg Sovereign Knights – Foreign Orders of Russian Emporers 2010 Moscow Die Bayerischen Orden und Ehrenzeichen Schreiber 1964 Bayerisch Armeemuseums
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