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    hello all

    does anybody knows how much order of the bath (grandcross and kommander cross) went to foreignes peoples in the period 1815-1830 for military honnor( ICH DIEN). does exist a list of this people.

    i hope someone is able to help me.

    thank you in advance (sorry for my very bad english!)

    heinrich

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    Seems difficult unless someone is deep in the subject.

    I suggest you should write the Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood. If someone can help, it is certainly them.

    The address is:

    CENTRAL CHANCERY OF THE ORDERS OF KNIGHTHOOD

    St. James's Palace, London SW1

    Best regards,

    Lukasz

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    That is so early -- in an era that attracts little phaleristic interest -- I'd not be sure where to start. Don't hold you breath for a response from the Chancery though; they have a small staff and are not equipped to do research for people (or even to be open for researchers). The National Archives (PRO) would likely have the sources, but you'd need to do your own work.

    The order was awarded to foreigners both in single-class and in multi-class (GCB, KCB, CB) varieties.

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    hello

    thank you for your answers, but i will try to search and find more information.

    i know that is very early.

    does someone know how many GCB of the Order of the bath was awarded for the war against napoleon to foreigners? this would help a litlle bid.

    thanks

    heinrich

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    Sturm - I have only some small knowledge of this decoration but you may find it helpful. As far as I know the first foreigner to be awarded this was Fursten Dietrichstein zu Nikolsburg und Grafen Alexander Mensdorff-Pouilly in 1869. You will understand these titles, I do not. The Order began in 1725 so it looks as though no memberships were given in Napolean's time. Foreign recipients, by the way, are only given Honorary Membership unless they held a British Military Commission at the time. Since 1869 I think only 5 more have been given. As Lukasz says the Central Chancery may be able to help more.

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    You are probably correct, Heinrich, these awards were given primarily for political reasons and I see that William fled to England with his father for many years then returned to Holland. Most probably had some monetary or military backing from England to regain his possessions. I have no knowledge of any other ones at this time, good luck in your search.

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    hello

    the second one which i know is ernst august I king of hannover. he became the grand cross in 1815. and several of his kommander generals got it too.

    i searching one of them.

    thank you!

    regards

    heinrich

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    Not sure if this is the man that your looking for, but Hannoverian General Carl von Alten received the KCB. Additionally, the following also received the Order during this time period:

    Gebhard von Blucher-GCB

    Mikhail Barclay de Tolly-unknown but believe it would be GCB

    Karl Ludwig Johan Archduke of Austria-GCB

    Carl Phillip von Schwarzenburg-GCB

    Johan von Frimont-GCB

    Carl Freiherr von Vincent-KCB

    Ludwig Wallmoden-Gimborn-KCB

    GM von Muffling-KCB

    John

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    • 10 years later...

    Greetings, I am a brand new member of this fine forum. I have an interest in finding out if this officer was truly in the rolls as a recipient of the KC Order of Bath in the year bracket shown. I already have his biography. Thanks 

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    I can only suggest searching the London Gazette.  It is available on-line but can be frustrating, as the search engine is not infallible by any means.

    I took a quick look, but both his surname and forenames are so common as to throw up dozens of [false?] positives in a quick search.  A few more details of his biography might help narrow the parameters.

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    21 hours ago, eurorders said:

    Greetings, I am a brand new member of this fine forum. I have an interest in finding out if this officer was truly in the rolls as a recipient of the KC Order of Bath in the year bracket shown. I already have his biography. Thanks 

    His KCB was gazetted on 22 June 1909 (6th entry down from the top left):

    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28263/supplement/4854/data.htm

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    Sturm, some of these reference books might help. I am doing it the lazy way by copying my library list.

    Title

    Author

    Year

    Publisher

    Orders and Decorations of Europe in Color

    Hieronymussen

    1967

    MacMillan

    British Orders and Decorations

    Risk

    1973

    Hayward

    Orders and Decorations

    Purves

    1972

    Hamlyn/Sun Books

    Ephemeral Decorations

    Gillingham

    1935

    Amer Numis Soc.

    Debrett’s Guide to Heraldry and Regalia

    Williamson

    1992

    Headline

    Orders and Medals of Bulgaria

    Patrov

    2000

    Voenno Izdatelstvo

    Book of Orders of Knighthood and Decorations of Honour of All Nations

    Burke

    1858

    N&M Press

    The History of the Order of Bath and Its Insignia

    Risk

    1972

    Spink

    British Orders, Decorations and Medals

    Hall

    1973

    Balfour

    Court Jewelers of the World

    Jacob

    1978

    Postgraduate International

    Catalogue of Military and Naval Campaign Medals and Gallantry Awards

     

    1980

    Sothebys

    Orders, Decorations, and Insignia, Military and Civil

    Wyllie

    1921

    Forgotten Books

    European Orders and Decorations to 1945

    Duckers

    2007

    Shire

    British Orders and Decorations

    Duckers

    2004

    Shire

    Bulgaria Imperial Orders and Medals 1887-1945

    Furlan

    1996

    Militaria House

    Parade Medals of the Third Reich

    Yanacek

    2008

    Schiffer

    Book of Orders and Decorations

    Mericka

    1975

    Hamlyn

    Orders and Decorations

    Mericka

    1967

    Hamlyn

    Orders and Decorations of All Nations Ancient and Modern Civil and Military

    Werlich

    Second Edition, 1973 & 1990

    Quaker Press

    Spinks Catalogue of British and Associated Orders, Decorations and Medals

    Joslin

    1983

    Webb & Bower

    Imperial Austrian Medals and Decorations

    Von Falkenstein

    1972

    -o- private

    Militaria: A Study of German Helmets & Uniforms 1729-1918

    Kube

    1990

    Schiffer

    Orders and Decorations of All Nations

    Werlich

    1965

    Quaker Press

    Military Medals & Decorations of the United States and Europe

    Ball & Peters

    1994

    Schiffer

    Medal Yearbook 2004

    Mackay & Mussell

    2004

    Token Publishing

    Vernon’s Guide to Orders, Medals & Decoration with Valuations

    Vernon

    2000

    Self/private

    The Medal Collectors’ Companion Collecting and Identifying Orders, Medals and Decorations

    Vernon

    1995

    Self/private

    Royal Insignia: British and Foreign Orders of Chivalry from the Royal Collection

    Patterson

    1997, 1998

    The Royal Collection

     Medals Ribbons of Imperial Austria and Germany

    Neville

    1974

    Balfour Publications

    Militaria – Die Militar Dienstzeichen 1849-1989

    Steiner

    1993

    self

    Deutsche Orden & Ehrenzeichen 1800 – 1945

    Nimmergut

    2017

    Battenberg

    Bewertung Katalog Deutschland 1871-1945 Orden Und Ehrenzeichen

    Niemann

    2009

    Self/private

    History of the Early Orders of Knighthood & Chivalry

    Neville

    1978

    Albemarle

    4 volume Borna Barac series called Reference Catalogue Orders, Medals and Decorations of the World instituted until 1945.

    Borna Barac

    2009 through 2013

    OBOL

    Ribbons and Medals

    Dorling

    1974

    Philip

    British and Foreign Orders, War Medals and Decorations

    Payne

    1911, reprinted 1981

    Hayward

    The Queen’s Orders of Chivalry

    De la Beree

    1964

    Spring Books

    The Order of the British Empire

    Galloway

     

     

     

    1996

    Stephen Austin and Sons/Spink/Central Chancery of Orders of Knighhood

    Orders of Knighthood, Awards and the Holy See

    Cardinale and van Duren

    1985

    Van Duren

    The Medals Decorations & Orders of the Great War 1914-1918

    Purves

    1975

    Hayward

    Royal Orders – The Honours and the Honoured

    Vickers

    1994

    Boxtree

    British Orders & Awards

    Gordon

    1968

    Kaye & Ward

    The European Orders of Chivalry

    Boalt, et al

    1971

    Southern Illinois University Press

    Collecting Medals and Decorations

    Purves

    1968-1978

    Hayward

    A Glossary of Terms Used in Phaleristics – The Science, Study and Collecting of the Insignia of Orders, Decorations, and Medals

    Laslo

    1995

    Dorado Publishing

    Russian Orders, Decorations and Medals

    Werlich

    1981

    Quaker Press

    Knights of Orange: Orders of the Netherlands

    Ruokonen

    2015

    Same

    The German Cavalry from 1871 to 1914 – Uniforms and Equipment

    Herr and Nguyen

    2006

    Verlag Militaria

    Swords of Germany 1900/1945

    Angolia

    1988

    Bender Publishing

    Spiked Helmets of Imperial Germany Vol. I Infantry Regiments, Pioneer Battalions, General Officers

    Trawnik

    2005

    Schiffer

    Imperial German Edged Weaponry Vol. I Army and Cavalry

    Johnson, Diehl, & Wittmann

    2008

    Schiffer

    Grosser Deutscher Ordenscatalog bis 1918

    Graf Klenau

    1974

    Battenberg

    Sovereign Knights – Foreign Orders of Russian Emporers

     

    2010

    Moscow

    Die Bayerischen Orden und Ehrenzeichen

    Schreiber

    1964

    Bayerisch Armeemuseums

     

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