Mongolia Mongolian Document

[Christophe]

I've tried to find information thoughout the Forum, but am not sure about it... So, I ask the experts of the Forum, who will have the right answer, I'm sure. I'm totally novice with mongolian awards...

This Mongolian doc has been awarded to General-Major Giel (DDR). It is part of a splitted group. The doc is without the medal / order, so I really don't know what it is relating to.

What is this document ?

Many thanks in advance.

Cheers.

Ch.

[Christophe]

Inside of the document.

Award # 23262.

Many thanks for your help.

Cheers.

Ch.

[Vatjan]

Christophe, isn't there one more inside page following this one?

Jan

Edited March 11, 2007 by Vatjan

[Christophe]

Hi Jan,

Yes there seem to be other pages. But these pics are the only two I have.

Do you think it is not possible to ID this document only with the pics I have posted ? If yes, I will have to wait for the doc to arrive...

Ch.

[new world]

The doc is definitely for the medal, not for order.

William

[Christophe]

Thanks William.

But, I'm afraid it is difficult to tell which medal without seeing the other pages... And the number is the one of teh doc, not the one of the medal... Am I correct ?

Cheers.

Ch.

[Ed_Haynes]

It is a standard, normal, award document. Award section not shown.

[Christophe]

OK. Thansk for taking time, Ed.

I will keep you informed of the nature of this document, when I have received it.

Cheers.

Ch.

[Ed_Haynes]

OK. Thansk for taking time, Ed.

I will keep you informed of the nature of this document, when I have received it.

Cheers.

Ch.

It could be really interesting!

[Christophe]

I hope...

Cheers.

Ch.

[Vatjan]

What medal/order it is, its number and award date are written on the following double page.

Judging from the number on page 1, I would guess it is a 1980's honorary labour medal.

Jan

Edited March 11, 2007 by Vatjan

[Christophe]

Jan,

It has been awarded to General G?nter Giel, Chief of the VP and Deputy Minister of the Interior (DDR).

Cheers.

Ch.

[Vatjan]

Hahaha, that will teach me trying to read the post diagonnally when I have little time, and then making bold statements

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

I say we wait for the doc and check the inside doublespread, before I embarrass myself again

Best regards

Jan

[Vatjan]

Oh what the heck, let's start a Mongolian award quiz

So on second thought and after more thorough consideration I'd say a Polar Star Order, awarded around 1983.

Jan

[new world]

Jan,

It has been awarded to General G?nter Giel, Chief of the VP and Deputy Minister of the Interior (DDR).

Cheers.

Ch.

Christophe,

when you receive Gen Giel's group - please post scans of other pages.

William

[Christophe]

William,

Will do it for sure... So that the mystery ends...

Cheers.

Ch.

[Christophe]

Oh what the heck, let's start a Mongolian award quiz

So on second thought and after more thorough consideration I'd say a Polar Star Order, awarded around 1983.

Jan

Jan, Excellent!!!!

I believe it is an Order of Polar Star, SN 23262, awarded on 17 June 1982.

It should be, according to the classification a :

(A 33.3/M 12.4) -- Type 4.1 (Pinback, silver); Low = 15074, High = 30409; 1970-2003

Am I right? Could you confirm?

And, what's the meaning of the n? 147, in the far right column of the doc ?

Now, just have to try to put hand on this Order, as I have only the doc... I know, it will be along shot...

Thanks to all for your help.

Cheers.

Ch.

Pic : ? Christophe ? ChR Collection

[Vatjan]

Jan, Excellent!!!!

I believe it is an Order of Polar Star, SN 23262, awarded on 17 June 1982.

It should be, according to the classification a :

(A 33.3/M 12.4) -- Type 4.1 (Pinback, silver); Low = 15074, High = 30409; 1970-2003

Am I right? Could you confirm?

And, what's the meaning of the n? 147, in the far right column of the doc ?

Now, just have to try to put hand on this Order, as I have only the doc... I know, it will be along shot...

Thanks to all for your help.

Cheers.

Ch.

Pic : ? Christophe ? ChR Collection

Yes, correct, OPS silver pinback.

147 is the number of the decree by which the order was awarded.

Nice doc, good luck finding the order itself

Cheers

Jan

[Ed_Haynes]

Jan beat me to it. Now, it would be interesting to see what sort of formal visit took place on 17 Junr 1982.

Nice 'un! Welcome to the marvelous world of Mongolia!!

[Christophe]

(...)Nice doc, good luck finding the order itself

Cheers

Jan

I know, I know.... Thanks, and bravo for your estimate (type of order + date).

Cheers.

Ch.

[Christophe]

Jan beat me to it. Now, it would be interesting to see what sort of formal visit took place on 17 Junr 1982.

Nice 'un! Welcome to the marvelous world of Mongolia!!

I'll try to know more about this visit...

Cheers.

Ch.

Edited April 11, 2007 by Christophe

[new world]

I know, I know.... Thanks, and bravo for your estimate (type of order + date).

Cheers.

Ch.

I would start with major dealer web sites, then check serial numbers list here on GMIC.

[Christophe]

I would start with major dealer web sites, then check serial numbers list here on GMIC.

And post some Wanted ads, here and there...

Cheers.

Ch.

[Ed_Haynes]

Most importantly will be to send out the plea here. Though I suspect his is (was ) in DDR. Fate unknown.

[Christophe]

Most importantly will be to send out the plea here. Though I suspect his is (was ) in DDR. Fate unknown.

I'll certainly do it. But, according to Giel's widow, it makes a while this order has been "lost" . And, apparently lost in DDR... I'll put some of my contacts in Berlin on the case.

Cheers.

Ch.