Yugoslavia Order of Brotherhood and Unity

[Bryan]

Third class definitely does not exist.

Christian, order on the picture can be a fake or a one with an enamel worn out.

There is also that what Milan says about IKOM.

The seller on eBay said this is a prototype (Specimen) from a plan 3rd Class. The seller also said that it came directly from IKOM.

[SasaYU]

If there is no carying document - then how was it noted (other than a formal document) that a worker or soldier was entitled to wear certain awards? Was this noted in the workers book or the soldiers book? Thanks

Law about decorations (orders and medals) was changing after the WWI. Firs was issued on 12. 06. 1945., second on 14. 12. 1955., revised on 15. 03. 1961., and then again in 15. 04. 1964. Afther the revision, new Law about decorations was issued in july 1973., which was revised in 1976., and again in 1985.

Certificates and charters:

According to the Law about decorations of Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia from 1986.:

Certificate was issued to the bearer of the order or medal.

For higher rank orders diploma or charter was issued. Charter was issued for Order of grand star of Yugoslavia, Order of freedom, Order of national hero, Order of hero of socialist work, Order of national liberation, Order of war flag, Order of Yugoslavian flag with sash, Order of partisan star with gold and silver wreath, Order of Republic with gold and silver wreath, Order for merit to the people with gold star, Order of brotherhood and unity with gold wreath, Order of work with red flag, Order of the peoples army with laurel wreath and Order for military merit with grand star.

According to the same law there was a penalty of 10.000 to 50.000 dinars or imprisonment of 30 days if unauthorized person wears decoration (order or medal).

[Explorer]

Mine 5-torch 1CL, needle back.

[wlodzimierz]

This Order is now in my collection. Unfortunately without Box but with nice serial number - 42.

[Explorer]

This Order is now in my collection. Unfortunately without Box but with nice serial number - 42.

Great number, how much did you pay? You can answer over PM.

[wlodzimierz]

Thank You Explorer,

I got this order for special price of $280 from my dealer. The price was not so high because we make enough other business.

I guess, that the price is maybe higher.

What are the prices for 1st cl in your opinion?

best regards

wlodzimierz

[Explorer]

Well we had this debate on one of Slovenian forums and opinions are very different. Currently there is a 1CL being sold on ebay for almost 400$. Maybe the final price will be even higher. I will sell mine in a while, is anyone interested? I'd even rather exchange it for some 3rd reich or JNA medals and orders.

Cheers

Nejc

[Bryan]

This Order is now in my collection. Unfortunately without Box but with nice serial number - 42.

This is quite low! And I thought mine was low.

[wlodzimierz]

Thank you , I couldn't belive as I saw this number for the first time.

Maybe one day will be able to find out who was the bearer and why he got this order.

As long we see positiv number on order it's Ok - it will be interesting when we start to see negative numbers.

[Christian Zulus]

This is quite low! And I thought mine was low.

Lieber Waldemar,

congratulations to #42 .

My 1cl has s/n. 2.149 (not cased, no documents, but screwback) .

In february 2003 I paid for mine ? 120,- in Vienna (H.-D. Rauch).

Best regards

Christian

[Explorer]

Very decent price. Is it 5-torch?

[Christian Zulus]

Very decent price. Is it 5-torch?

Dear Nejc,

yes, it's a 5-torch-version.

Best regards

Christian

[Eric Gaumann]

Gentlemen,

I just aquired my first Yugoslavian Order; the B&U 2nd.

A nice silver, 5 torch version.

I was wondering what were these awarded for? What were the requirments to get these?

Was it military? Poltical? Both? Neither?

Would there be a rough equivalent in Soviet Orders?

TIA

[Bryan]

Eric I'm in the same boat. I collect this stuff, but I know next to nothing about them. I'm really eager to learn more and more.

I think it is definitely a military award.

[Valuk]

Gentlemen,

I just aquired my first Yugoslavian Order; the B&U 2nd.

A nice silver, 5 torch version.

I was wondering what were these awarded for? What were the requirments to get these?

Was it military? Poltical? Both? Neither?

Would there be a rough equivalent in Soviet Orders?

TIA

[Christian Zulus]

Was it military? Poltical? Both? Neither?

Would there be a rough equivalent in Soviet Orders?

Dear Eric,

I guess, that it was both a political and military order.

The direct equivalent in the Soviet Union had been the FoN: http://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=16996

Maybe the YU-Brotherhood was a bit more military, than the Soviet FoN .

The fact is, that you see the YU-Brotherhood - 2cl and 1cl - very often on Soviet uniforms after the GPW and I think, that it was the most common YU-Order, Soviet Forces received.

Usually the YU-Brotherhood 2cl was the highest ranking order an JNA-officer might have got for a "normal" career in the Yugoslav Forces, I guess.

"Brotherhood & Unity" had been THE important slogan in communist Yugoslavia , but the 1990s showed the contrary in Yugoslavia .

Best regards

Christian

[Eric Gaumann]

Thank you Christian for explaining that to me.

I like the fact that it was awarded to Soviet officers as well because that fits in with my Soviet addiction.

I've attached a close-up of the number and the hallmarks in case anyone is curious.

[Christian Zulus]

Dear Eric,

congratulations - rather low s/n. .

Best regards

Christian

[Mister No]

Order of Brotherhood and Unity 2cl 5torch version.

2 size of torches and star. Left late model, right early model.

[Luka]

What do you think about these? (left overs from the production, prototypes or something else...maybe they were discharged when the 6 torch version took place?)

Edited July 30, 2008 by Luka

[wlodzimierz]

This are simply parts of Order of Brotherhood and Unity 2nd cl. which has been found probably in IKOM. Somebody has remake them to new private order.

Nice idea, nothing more.

waldemar

[Luka]

Nobody remake them... they are in the way they were found...as you said left overs from IKOM.

[seb16trs]

A very cranky document that does NOT want to be scanned.

From 1976, but beyond that !!!

if there's a big document like this, what does the small paper typed diploma stands for?

(this picture is not mine nor the order; it is obly for example )

Edited December 4, 2008 by seb16trs