stevo4361 Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Hey guys,This beauty came in today's mail, a cased 1914 "Fr" Friedlaender EK1. Marking is hard to get on a scan, and doubt I could get it on a picture, small incused relief "Fr" under the catch. Interesting crown design as well, with defined "upper arms."On the case, is one of the most interesting ones I have handled, but I have very limited experience with 1914 cases. The texture of the outside material seems different than my other cases. (Almost more plastic-like, but not exactly) Also, the pin is not a spring mechanism, but rather a push with a "leverage bar" from what I can conclude without tearing it apart. The top of the catch is also interesting, as instead of a 1 piece it has the regular shaped flat piece, with a soldered on piece on top of the catch to give it more width up top. (Will try and get some pics of this later, hope the description isn't too bad) Does this sound familiar to anyone? Passes the blacklight test OK.Thanks guys!Kind Regards,Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve Russell Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Here is a Friedlander to compare it to. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Very nice Eks! And a question to the experts-are morecore variations known? I'm shure that "Fr." and "FR"have exchanged parts.I remember that I've got some 2nd class EKs in my collection.Mike-any ideas? Unfortunately I'm in Amman at the moment and I haven`t got access to my database!Miicha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo4361 Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share Posted March 30, 2007 Thanks Micha, Were "Fr" and "FR" distinctly different companies? Kind Regards,Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 This is the question-When I remember right Nimmregut says "FR" is Friedl?nder,but who is "Fr"?When I'm back in germany I will go through my files and start a "FR/Fr." thread.....Mich a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Frank & Reif. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naoki matsumoto Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Hi,Steve!! Always,your Eiserneskreuz collections are impressive splendid collections! Eiserneskreuz friends & teacher,Steve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo4361 Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 Thanks guys, Makes sense on Frank und Reif being the other Fr (FR?). Looking forward to your upcoming Friedl?nder post Micha!Kind Regards,Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 "Fr." = Friedlander"FR" = Frank & ReifI think. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo4361 Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 Thanks Bill! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 @Bill- FR=Frank&Reif Is it a proven fact?Micha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 No. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 I think there may be a danger in simply matching them with initials that may fit.There are countless makers with similar names and initials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 i am in agreement with herr garvy...i can't remember where i saw the infothat helped me make this MM ID, butthis is not the first i've heard it.written in stone? nope.but the info will spring forth verifying it one day!so NICE to look at these EK's.joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Its the danger of matching initials with names that may or may not fit. They may seem logical.... but....I just spoke to Mr Reif on the phone, first thing he said to me was all the badge making dies were long gone, I guess they get a lot of collectors calling. When I said I just wanted to know if they had made WW1 Iron Crosses stamped FR, he said no, the firm had a different name back then and FR could not have been Frank and Reif.BestChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Its the danger of matching initials with names that may or may not fit. They may seem logical.... but....I just spoke to Mr Reif on the phone, first thing he said to me was all the badge making dies were long gone, I guess they get a lot of collectors calling. When I said I just wanted to know if they had made WW1 Iron Crosses stamped FR, he said no, the firm had a different name back then and FR could not have been Frank and Reif.BestChrisI never quite believed in the Frank & Reif suggestion. They advertised themselves as a "metal stamping" firm and the badges that they produced in WW2 at least were simple one piece stampings (GAB, PAB etc) of the type any engineering firm could churn out. I never really had them down as producing stuff like the EK which needed a bit of "finesse" in its construction/finishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 (edited) Thank you, gentlemen, for resolving my obviously erroneous misinformation. . . Edited April 3, 2007 by Bill Garvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Hi,there is an online list where it is mentioned as Frank and Reif as well, it is easy to make the mistake.All the bestChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buellmeister Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Here is a link. Though I don't consider it Gospel, it is an exhaustive listing showing FR as Frank und Reif but who really knows??http://www.kaisersbunker.com/stuff/1914_EK2_makers.htmRegards,Joel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Here is a link. Though I don't consider it Gospel, it is an exhaustive listing showing FR as Frank und Reif but who really knows??http://www.kaisersbunker.com/stuff/1914_EK2_makers.htmRegards,JoelI think the list has been done with a collector saying "A possible match..." and putting the name down.As Gordon says, Frank and Reif is and was a "metal stamping" firm, Would be curious to know WHAT they were called back then, but the FR on the crosses must be someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Here are two Freddies,The one with the slightly rusted core has a slightly larger crown.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 The hook is also set quite a bit higher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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