Soviet Hammer & Sickle will stay on "Victory Banner"

[Christian Zulus]

Gentlemen,

the "Victory Banner" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Banner is still THE flag and the symbol of the Russian Forces in the contemporary Russian Federation. It is the most important and most prominent flag in Russian history.

The Russian Duma (parliament) wanted to take away the hammer and sickle from the flag, because hammer and sickle are no recent symbols of Russia .

President Putin stopped that act of disgrace to all veterans (and patriots) and sent the bill back to the Duma .

Best regards

Christian

[Ed_Haynes]

Thanks, Christian! Finally, some good news regarding the contemporary Russian trend toward historical amnesia.

For a better flag reference site than Wikipedia, see: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ru_wwii.html and http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/su%5Evctry.html

Edited April 21, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Christian Zulus]

Thanks, Christian! Finally, some good news regarding the contemporary Russian trend toward historical amnesia.

For a better flag reference site than Wikipedia, see: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ru_wwii.html and http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/su%5Evctry.html

Dear Ed,

at least President Putin did something against the growing influence of the US-State Department, CIA, Soros, etc., etc. in Russia .

Your first link is wrong, because it shows the flag of the Russian Forces during the Yeltsin-Era. The second link is the right one, because it shows the present flag of the Russian Forces .

BTW: Putin gave us back the old Soviet Anthem with the lyrics of comrade Mikhalkov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Mikhalkov (HSL, 3 Stalin Prizes: 1941, 1942 & 1950) .

Best regards

Christian

Edited April 21, 2007 by Christian Zulus

[Herr General]

For a lot of Europeans the hammer and sickle stand for a dark time in history with 50 + millions of deaths. I can understand why some people would rather see the hammer and sickle go!

[Christian Zulus]

For a lot of Europeans the hammer and sickle stand for a dark time in history with 50 + millions of deaths. I can understand why some people would rather see the hammer and sickle go!

Dear Herr General,

the topic is not about, if you like or dislike the symbol of hammer and sickle, but if a historic flag should be mutilated, or not .

BTW: You are posting some fantastic numbers of 50 + millions of deaths caused by non-western governments in Europe in the 20th century. Despite the fact, that it is strictly against the rules at GMIC to post extreme "right-wing" propaganda (as you did already), I - and I assume some other educated historians at GMIC - might be interested, how you can proof the 50 + millions of deaths in Europe caused by socialist governments . Anyway, you will have to exclude the death toll caused by the Nazi-aggression towards eastern Europe - the nations defended themselvs against Germany ...

Best regards

Christian

[Bob]

the nations defended themselvs against Germany ...

...and against Russia

[Christian Zulus]

...and against Russia

Dear Bob,

you are right in regards of Hungary 1956 and CSSR 1968, but these interventions didn't cause 50 + millions of deaths, that's several times more, than the whole populations of Hungary & CSSR .

What I can not accept as a serious historian is, that someone just states, that socialism in eastern Europe killed 50 + million innocent people, without giving any hint of evidence or proof .

The next time someone might state, that the socialism of the British Labour Party killed 5 + million people or such fantasies .

It's just the number, not if socialism kills, or if christian-conservativism kills, or hinduism, or whatsoever - that depends on your private point of view .

Best regards

Christian