EK 1939 EK2 Non Magnetic Core. Opinions?

[Steve campbell]

This just arrived with a couple more. It's unmarked and has a non magnetic core. The ribbon ring on it is also smaller and a little thicker than usual, and reminds me of the one on my Shinkelform. What would this core be made of and what does everyone think of this item in general?

[Steve campbell]

Here's the rear. Thanks for looking.

[DavidM]

Hello

The cross looks good to me. As for the core, if the greyish white patches that can be seen in a couple of small areas aren't left over cleaning residue, I'd venture zinc.

[Motorhead]

I like it,too! I should have one of this type in my collection....but no idea why the pics aren't in my archive!

Micha

[Steve campbell]

I like variants and you don't see too many of these so I snatched it up, although it was for sale for awhile. It's in good condition. I wonder who made it?

[robert pierce]

I like variants and you don't see too many of these so I snatched it up, although it was for sale for awhile. It's in good condition. I wonder who made it?

Hi Steve,

Could your cross be a Paulmann & Crone, Ludensheid? I have two that are magnetic, in their original issue packets, both identical. The narrow, tall beading. The shallow dates, the thick smaller-sized suspension rings, all characteristic of the unmarked 86's. What do you think side by side, your cross on the left, one of mine to the right...

Robert

[robert pierce]

the packet...

[robert pierce]

rear

[robert pierce]

another 86...

[Steve campbell]

Could be. The swaz looks thicker but that could be paint, as the two crosses have different levels of paint loss.

[robert pierce]

Yeah,

my second core looks more like yours, especially the '3' in 1939. The frames look the same, maybe different cores, especially the first cross.

Robert

[robert pierce]

That's odd, Steve. I never even noticed the difference in the cores until I posted them here. But the detail to the frames is identical. I've heard a lot of opinions around these Paulmann & Crones, multiple cores, etc...Now, I'm beginning to see.

My first set came from a German vet, an entire grouping from him personally. The second packeted set came from a good friend who got his from a vet also. These are the only two packets I have ever seen from Paulmann & Crone, both identical.

Robert

[Steve campbell]

Have you seen any of these 86's with marks on the ring or just unmarked?

[robert pierce]

Have you seen any of these 86's with marks on the ring or just unmarked?

Of course most novices get confused with Souval's 98's, and read them upsidedown, thinking they've found an '86', I have yet to see or hear of any marked '86' Paulmann & Crone. I don't think they exist, Steve. All I have to play by are the two packets these two crosses defiantely came in, and from WWII German vets themselves. That settles it for me.

I saw one other Paulmann & Crone on the Collector's Guild months ago.

Robert

[Steve campbell]

Thanks for that information. I can see the 2 getting mixed up. I have an unmarked 98 Souval, but how often do you see marked 98's?

[robert pierce]

Thanks for that information. I can see the 2 getting mixed up. I have an unmarked 98 Souval, but how often do you see marked 98's?

Often enough. I have three Souval EKII's, only one stamped.

Robert

[Steve campbell]

I never thought they were rare, but I can't remember the last time I saw a marked one for sale.