Steve campbell Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 This just arrived with a couple more. It's unmarked and has a non magnetic core. The ribbon ring on it is also smaller and a little thicker than usual, and reminds me of the one on my Shinkelform. What would this core be made of and what does everyone think of this item in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve campbell Posted July 16, 2007 Author Share Posted July 16, 2007 Here's the rear. Thanks for looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 HelloThe cross looks good to me. As for the core, if the greyish white patches that can be seen in a couple of small areas aren't left over cleaning residue, I'd venture zinc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I like it,too! I should have one of this type in my collection....but no idea why the pics aren't in my archive!Micha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve campbell Posted July 17, 2007 Author Share Posted July 17, 2007 I like variants and you don't see too many of these so I snatched it up, although it was for sale for awhile. It's in good condition. I wonder who made it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I like variants and you don't see too many of these so I snatched it up, although it was for sale for awhile. It's in good condition. I wonder who made it?Hi Steve, Could your cross be a Paulmann & Crone, Ludensheid? I have two that are magnetic, in their original issue packets, both identical. The narrow, tall beading. The shallow dates, the thick smaller-sized suspension rings, all characteristic of the unmarked 86's. What do you think side by side, your cross on the left, one of mine to the right...Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 the packet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 rear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 another 86... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve campbell Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 Could be. The swaz looks thicker but that could be paint, as the two crosses have different levels of paint loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Yeah, my second core looks more like yours, especially the '3' in 1939. The frames look the same, maybe different cores, especially the first cross.Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 That's odd, Steve. I never even noticed the difference in the cores until I posted them here. But the detail to the frames is identical. I've heard a lot of opinions around these Paulmann & Crones, multiple cores, etc...Now, I'm beginning to see.My first set came from a German vet, an entire grouping from him personally. The second packeted set came from a good friend who got his from a vet also. These are the only two packets I have ever seen from Paulmann & Crone, both identical.Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve campbell Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 Have you seen any of these 86's with marks on the ring or just unmarked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Have you seen any of these 86's with marks on the ring or just unmarked?Of course most novices get confused with Souval's 98's, and read them upsidedown, thinking they've found an '86', I have yet to see or hear of any marked '86' Paulmann & Crone. I don't think they exist, Steve. All I have to play by are the two packets these two crosses defiantely came in, and from WWII German vets themselves. That settles it for me.I saw one other Paulmann & Crone on the Collector's Guild months ago.Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve campbell Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 Thanks for that information. I can see the 2 getting mixed up. I have an unmarked 98 Souval, but how often do you see marked 98's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert pierce Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Thanks for that information. I can see the 2 getting mixed up. I have an unmarked 98 Souval, but how often do you see marked 98's?Often enough. I have three Souval EKII's, only one stamped. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve campbell Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 I never thought they were rare, but I can't remember the last time I saw a marked one for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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