New medal ribbon bar

[dante]

Welcome your thoughts, thanks, Paul

[Deruelle]

Hi,

Very nice ribbon bar of an Hauptmann (at the end of the WW1). Probably the officer served in the reserve. Recalled after 1935.

Regards

Christophe

[dante]

Hi,

Very nice ribbon bar of an Hauptmann (at the end of the WW1). Probably the officer served in the reserve. Recalled after 1935.

Regards

Christophe

Please could you identify them, thanks, Paul

[Guest Rick Research]

It is a 1990s Ohio Parts Fraud all brass hand snipped fake. Send it back.

Hand snipped catch:

naked under backing

squashed marshmallow Easter chick Spange with crooked wings:

the dead, dull finished Wehrmacht eagles are also signatures of the prolific faker.

You will find that the backing is sheet brass-- a restricted metal during the war when stamped steel was universal except for half height ribbon bars-- apparently some sort of tensile strangth "issue" or there were enough pre-war half height backings on hand that those never went to steel. Yellow brass backings on a normal height ribbon bar are never a good sign for Third Reich bars. Exposed hinges on cloth backed bars are also quite extremely unusual for REAL bars and very common with these fakes. These are cellar workshop forgeries.

Can't tell if the oakleaves and swords device is original or a painted fake but the color looks too washed out for an original GILT device. Sometimes the devices are good, other times not. The late war swords are OK, as is the Turkish device. But this bar is less than 20 years old.

Remember that with very specific exceptions-- Godet's trademark "=" hinge bars being the most common exception, you should not see a WIDE catch. They were normally either stamped out of the backing itself or stamped and soldered on. But real ones in 90% of all cases will look like:

"U" tongue catch, which the fraudulent hand snipped ones are in mockery of:

"C" catch, either a brass piece STAMPED and soldered onto the steel backing:

or stamped out of the backing itself like a "U" tongue catch:

There are wire stock catches, most often with tailor custom made bars, but you should NEVER see a hand snipped wide brass Ohio-type catch.

As word of these fakes spread (I shout it from the rooftops at every opportunity) many of them have had their catches snapped off as "damage" in an attempt to hide the forgery-- but the fake metal plates are still hand snipped yellow brass. On these "older" fakes, the ribbons are often original, mixed with new fakes whose white stripes will glow bright electric blue under a blacklight.

In recent years, fakers (now in Europe) have bought up vast stocks or original never used steel backings and are churning out as many crap bars as Mister Ohio ever did... but the ribbons are almost invariably new. A blacklight sorts them out, if the combinations are not the usual nonsensical overkill in wrong precedence. Old fronts/new backs have turned into new fronts/old backs.

[HeikoGrusdat]

iron cross ribbon looks brand new - Z?hringer lion looks old and used..... no good feeling with this bar at all.....

[dante]

iron cross ribbon looks brand new - Z?hringer lion looks old and used..... no good feeling with this bar at all.....

Bloody hell !, thanks Rick, on its way back as we speak, I owe you, Paul

[ccj]

Bloody hell !, thanks Rick, on its way back as we speak, I owe you, Paul

That's a shame.

Would have been nice if real.