Mike K Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Hi,Would anyone have any info on a "Guther" (NOT Gunther) who may have worn the Schaumburg-Lippe Kreuz fur Treue Dienste STECKKREUZ? Any info would be appreciated.Thanks & RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Those were only awarded to royalty. No Prince/Duke with any name that could be read as that (? scratched on the back or ???) got one. I've got that fragment of the MISERABLE CfLSiW rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Those were only awarded to royalty. No Prince/Duke with any name that could be read as that (? scratched on the back or ???) got one. I've got that fragment of the MISERABLE CfLSiW rolls.What does this award look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Exactly like the ribboned ones, only pinback.(Used to be in my collection, sigh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 STECKKREUZI have a photo and a bit of history around A Landsturm or Landwher NCO who won the Schaumburg-Lippe Kruez STECKKREUZ. This is odd as I had forgotten the name of the award and how rare they were. I man I befriended in Germany some years ago had many photos and a bio on this NCO from interviews with his relatives. I can't remember the man's name, the NCO's name, or the e-mail address. I start searching for it this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 No he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 No he didn't.Well, I could be wrong but if I find the photo and it shows the badge it question I want your best ribbon bar!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 The pinback was awarded only to ROYALS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 The pinback was awarded only to ROYALS.Here's a scan;RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Here's a scan;RegardsMikeAre those yours Mike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 Hi Charles,Yes they are.RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Here is the complete list of recipients, MUCH annotated from the miserable original Roll. I am still adding death dates-- the Online Gotha refuses to completely download for me any more, so have been stymied on the more obscure recipients. Since there is no notation whatsoever next to all but 3 of the names, there is very often no way to tell WHICH nonentity-Princeling among several with that Rufname among their string of baptismal names was actually intended. Schaumburg-Lippe Kreuz f?r Treue Dienste: Steckkreuze "@" = WHO ??? The number is their running entry on the Roll, "?" my notation of AUSTRIAN recipients, "B" Bulgarian, "T" Turkish, "M" = Naval recipient, ""W" = W?rttemberg recipient, and "See SLH1" indicates that these people ALSO received Schaumburg Honor Crosses 1st Class before or during the war (part of cross referencing ALL awards from the same state in each Roll as it will be published, in German. Everything in (brackets) has been ADDED by me and is NOT on the original roll. The ONLY descriptive entries for any recipient are in bold. Anhalt, (Friedrich II) Herzog von (1856-1918) 17.04.15 mit und ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) 14 (BADEN??? ?STERREICH???), Max ,,Erzherzog" (von XXXXXXXX) 10.01.18 ohne Band 36 @Bulgarien, Boris Kronprinz von (1894-1943) 28.04.16 ohne Band 26 BBulgarien, Kyrill Prinz von (1895-1945) 28.04.16 ohne Band 27 BBulgariern, Ferdinand Zar von (1861-1948) 28.04.16 mit und ohne Band 25 BDeutschland und Preussen, Wilhelm II Kaiser und K?nig von (1859-1941) 06.01.15 ohne Band 11 Hessen, (Ernst Ludwig) Grossherzog von (1868-1937) 02.07.15 ohne Band 18 Hessen, Philipp Prinz von Leutnant im Drag Rgt 24 (1896-19 15.06.15 ohne Band 19 Mecklenburg-Strelitz, (Adolf Friedrich VI) Grossherzog (1882-1918) 25.08.16 ohne Band 28 Oldenburg, (Friedrich August) Grossherzog von (1852-1931) 02.03.17 ohne Band 29 Oldenburg, Nikolaus Erbgrossherzog von (1897-1970) 02.03.17 ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) 30 Osmanen, (Muhammed Reschad Khan V) Sultan und Kaiser der (1844-1918) 28.04.16 mit und ohne Band 24 T?sterreich, Heinrich Ferdinand Erzherzog von OTL u OrdOffz 4. Armee 09.12.15 ohne Band 22 @??sterreich, Joseph Ferdinand Erzherzog von 09.12.15 ohne Band 21 @??sterreich, Karl Kaiser und K?nig von (1887-1922) 07.11.17 mit und ohne Band 33 ?Parma, Felix Prinz von (Bruder Kaiserin Zita) (1893-19 04.12.17 ohne Band 34 Parma, Ren?e (SIC) Prinz von (? Renatus? Bruder Kaiserin Zita ?) (? 1894-19 04.12.17 ohne Band 35 @Preussen, Friedrich Sigismund Prinz von (verheiratet mit Przssin Marie vSch-Lp) (1891-19 ) 14.08.17 ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) 32 Preussen, Leopold Prinz von (WELCHER ) 20.03.15 ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) 12 @Preussen, Waldemar Prinz von (1889-19 27.12.15 ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) 23 MSachsen-Altenburg, (Ernst II) Herzog von (1871-1955) 25.09.14 mit und ohne Band 9 Sachsen-Meiningen, (Bernhard) Herzog von (1851-1928) 25.05.15 mit und ohne Band 16 Schaumburg-Lippe, Adolf F?rst zu (1883-1936) 25.09.14 mit und ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) 1 Schaumburg-Lippe, Adolf Prinz zu (1859-1917) 25.09.14 mit und ohne Band 2 Schaumburg-Lippe, Albrecht Prinz zu (1869-1942) 25.09.14 mit und ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) 5 ?Schaumburg-Lippe, Christian Prinz von ,,Sohn der Prinz Friedrich desgl." (K.u.k. Lt DR 1) (1898-19 ) 31.08.15 mit und ohne Band 20 ?Schaumburg-Lippe, Eugen F?rst zu (KW Lt GR 119) (1898-1929) 15.07.17 ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) (WM3) 31 WSchaumburg-Lippe, Friedrich Prinz zu (1868-19 ) (K.u.k. ?) 25.09.14 mit und ohne Band 4 ?Schaumburg-Lippe, Heinrich Prinz zu (1894-1952) 23.03.15 mit und ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) 13 Schaumburg-Lippe, Max Prinz zu (KW OLT ad DR 20) (1898-1974) 20.04.15 mit und ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) (WM3) 15 WSchaumburg-Lippe, Moritz Prinz zu (1884-1920) 25.09.14 mit und ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) 6 Schaumburg-Lippe, Otto Prinz zu (1854-1935) 25.09.14 mit und ohne Band 3 Schaumburg-Lippe, Stephan Prinz zu (1891-1965) 25.09.14 mit und ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) 8 Schaumburg-Lippe, Wolrad Prinz zu (1887-1962) 25.09.14 mit und ohne Band (Siehe SLH1) 7 Waldeck und Pyrmont, (Friedrich) F?rst zu (1865-1946) 25.09.14 mit und ohne Band 10 W?rttemberg, Ulrich Herzog von (1877-1944) 14.06.15 ohne Band 17 WENDEThese are from the original Roll. Recipients are listed without annotations in Neal O'Connor's final posthumous volume on WW1 German aviation awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I guess I'm wrong I can't find the bio on this man but he started ended the war as a LtdR or L...Hansmeier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Hansmeier at center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Hansmeier at center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 What's this wartime officer wearing? I sure wish I could find his bio. He had done something special that gained him recognition from the Prince. I know the one on his bar is the Lippe kreuz but I guess I may be wrong about the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 EXTREMELY difficult to say from such small fuzzy scans. The "normal" ribboned Schaumburg cross and what appears to be the Lippe-Detmold War Cross for Heroic Deeds between his EK1 and Wound Badge.NOT a pinback Schaumburg-Lippe Cross for Loyal Service in War (for royals ONLY). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 EXTREMELY difficult to say from such small fuzzy scans. The "normal" ribboned Schaumburg cross and what appears to be the Lippe-Detmold War Cross for Heroic Deeds between his EK1 and Wound Badge.NOT a pinback Schaumburg-Lippe Cross for Loyal Service in War (for royals ONLY).I'm startin' to think the Lippe Cross for Loyal Service in War pinback was for Royalty only! I'll do some research to let ya know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hmmm, looking again, was there a unit along the lines of 1. GFAR Guther ?RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hmmm, looking again, was there a unit along the lines of 1. GFAR Guther ?RegardsMikeRick almost always has an answer and an example to show. I'd love to have a look at his vast collection of militaria one day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Here's a scan;RegardsMikeMike,Could you post a scan of the backs and pin/catch systems, please?I would also be interested in seeing a close-up of the right angles where the arms meet. Are they drilled or cut in any way?Thanks in advance,David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted January 22, 2008 Author Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hi David,Bad timing! I'm away from home until Mid Feb, so won't be able to post all the requested pics or properly answer the other questions until then.Regarding the pinback, from memory, the quality of construction and finish was very good. A nicely worn fire-gilt finish over a tombak-like basemetal. No signs of casting what-so-ever imo. Some indications of fine filing on the sides of the cross arms - I don't recall the joins of the arms. The hardware is interesting and probably more in line with late teens/early 20s (Freikorps period) - small block hinge, needle pin and small flatwire "C" catch. I've seen similar on Prussian EK1s, Schlesien Adler, Baltic Crosses and some immediate post-war veterans association pin-back awards.The screwback is a Meybauer - the X-plate and DRGM screwdisk weren't included in the scan.RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Mike, could that be "Luther" instead of Guther? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted January 22, 2008 Author Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hi Darrell,Possible, but there appear to be top (horizontal) strokes present, which made it look more like a G to me.RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted February 22, 2008 Author Share Posted February 22, 2008 For David, a pic of the inner arm join as requested.No indications of having been drilled. Maybe some indications of very very fine filing.RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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